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Re: Landlords forcing smart locks on tenants

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Post by darkhorn »

gambiting wrote: post #16

I mean......yes, it does look terrible and I would not want to have this installed in my house. But on the other hand....our landlord does have a physical copy of the key to our house. I consider this to be a good thing, not a bad thing though! Probably made even better by the fact that legally the landlord has to give tenants 24 hours notice if they want to gain entry(in the UK). They can't just come over whenever w…

>our landlord does have a physical copy of the key to our house

The practice in Turkey is to change the lock as soon as you move to your apartment. And most of the time landlords say "I don't want to be accountable if someone enters to the apartment, thus change the locks as soon as possible". And even though the landlord owns the property he is not allowed to enter to the apartment, there is a specific law for that.

Re: Landlords forcing smart locks on tenants

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Post by detaro »

lordnacho wrote: post #2

Is it impossible to do this safely? Just like with my car, it would be really convenient when holding kids and a load of their stuff to not have to fish out the keys. I suppose there's the issue of your landlord locking you out if they're unhappy with something, but surely that is not purely a technological issue.

Just local RFID tokens without internet connection? If you use a system with properly secure tokens that's probably a relatively safe option.

Same with key codes: internet management is not really needed for that. Of course access could be properly secured, but vendors have a really bad record of actually getting that right.

Re: Landlords forcing smart locks on tenants

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Post by gambiting »

darkhorn wrote: post #21
gambiting wrote: post #16

I mean......yes, it does look terrible and I would not want to have this installed in my house. But on the other hand....our landlord does have a physical copy of the key to our house. I consider this to be a good thing, not a bad thing though! Probably made even better by the fact that legally the landlord has to give tenants 24 hours notice if they want to gain entry(in the UK). They can't just come over whenever w…

>our landlord does have a physical copy of the key to our house The practice in Turkey is to change the lock as soon as you move to your apartment. And most of the time landlords say "I don't want to be accountable if someone enters to the apartment, thus change the locks as soon as possible". And even though the landlord owns the property he is not allowed to enter to the apartment, there is a specific law for that.

I'm not saying that the landlord has to have the key over here - I could change the locks if I wanted to - I'm just saying that in my experience it was always beneficial - when I locked myself out, or had someone coming over to repair the boiler or something else...the landlord was always happy to come over and unlock the door. For me it's a benefit, not a downside.

Re: Landlords forcing smart locks on tenants

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Post by dkersten »

gambiting wrote: post #16

I mean......yes, it does look terrible and I would not want to have this installed in my house. But on the other hand....our landlord does have a physical copy of the key to our house. I consider this to be a good thing, not a bad thing though! Probably made even better by the fact that legally the landlord has to give tenants 24 hours notice if they want to gain entry(in the UK). They can't just come over whenever w…

The issue here is less about access and more about privacy.

Re: Landlords forcing smart locks on tenants

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Post by [deleted] »

triggered wrote: post #20
random_kris wrote: post #3

wow making such a drama on twitter because of this? I find it kinda funny to get triggered like that and having the need to make everything public.

Using the “ triggered ” buzzword to signal that this is another frivolous SJW anxiety, and yet this is not SJW related at all. This is a ligitimate security issue, since internet-enabled locks are never going to be secure enough to trust your life with, and even if one brand works well, most landlords will not be technically equipped to sort the differences out on there own, and will wind up deploying these locks bef…

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Re: Landlords forcing smart locks on tenants

#26

Post by learnstats2 »

gambiting wrote: post #23
darkhorn wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>our landlord does have a physical copy of the key to our house The practice in Turkey is to change the lock as soon as you move to your apartment. And most of the time landlords say "I don't want to be accountable if someone enters to the apartment, thus change the locks as soon as possible". And even though the landlord owns the property he is not allowed to enter to the apartment, there is a specific law for that.

I'm not saying that the landlord has to have the key over here - I could change the locks if I wanted to - I'm just saying that in my experience it was always beneficial - when I locked myself out, or had someone coming over to repair the boiler or something else...the landlord was always happy to come over and unlock the door. For me it's a benefit, not a downside.

This is not a benefit of landlord's legal right to access.

Even if you consider these particular benefits, you should be able to make the choice of whether or not to give your landlord (or another trusted person) a spare key.

Re: Landlords forcing smart locks on tenants

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Post by Xylakant »

gambiting wrote: post #16

I mean......yes, it does look terrible and I would not want to have this installed in my house. But on the other hand....our landlord does have a physical copy of the key to our house. I consider this to be a good thing, not a bad thing though! Probably made even better by the fact that legally the landlord has to give tenants 24 hours notice if they want to gain entry(in the UK). They can't just come over whenever w…

In germany, landlords are not entitled to have a copy of your flats key and they're not entitled to enter the apartment at their will unless there's an emergency. They can ask for a visit a reasonable time in advance and you might have to comply, but then it's still you opening the door.

Re: Landlords forcing smart locks on tenants

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Post by gambiting »

learnstats2 wrote: post #26
gambiting wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not saying that the landlord has to have the key over here - I could change the locks if I wanted to - I'm just saying that in my experience it was always beneficial - when I locked myself out, or had someone coming over to repair the boiler or something else...the landlord was always happy to come over and unlock the door. For me it's a benefit, not a downside.

This is not a benefit of landlord's legal right to access. Even if you consider these particular benefits, you should be able to make the choice of whether or not to give your landlord (or another trusted person) a spare key.

>>you should be able to make the choice of whether or not to give your landlord (or another trusted person) a spare key.

I do have that choice. I can go and change my locks today if I chose to and the landlord can't legally stop me from doing so. I just chose not to, because to me(personally) the landlord having the key is worth the benefit it provides.

Re: Landlords forcing smart locks on tenants

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Post by gambiting »

Xylakant wrote: post #27
gambiting wrote: post #16

I mean......yes, it does look terrible and I would not want to have this installed in my house. But on the other hand....our landlord does have a physical copy of the key to our house. I consider this to be a good thing, not a bad thing though! Probably made even better by the fact that legally the landlord has to give tenants 24 hours notice if they want to gain entry(in the UK). They can't just come over whenever w…

In germany, landlords are not entitled to have a copy of your flats key and they're not entitled to enter the apartment at their will unless there's an emergency. They can ask for a visit a reasonable time in advance and you might have to comply, but then it's still you opening the door.

So...the same then. In the UK the landlord is not entitled to the copy of the key either.

Re: Landlords forcing smart locks on tenants

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Post by handzbagz »

maccard wrote: post #17
gambiting wrote: post #16

I mean......yes, it does look terrible and I would not want to have this installed in my house. But on the other hand....our landlord does have a physical copy of the key to our house. I consider this to be a good thing, not a bad thing though! Probably made even better by the fact that legally the landlord has to give tenants 24 hours notice if they want to gain entry(in the UK). They can't just come over whenever w…

> our landlord does have a physical copy of the key to our house. I This should only be acceptable in the case where your landlord is also your property manager. If they're not, then your letting agent should have a copy of a key. On the 24 hours note, in 8 years of renting in the UK, I can only remember one instance where I was actually told 24 hours in advance. I was usually emailed at 5pm saying "hey, we have some…

You can legally change the lock if you change it back when you move out.
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