Landlords forcing smart locks on tenants

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Post by Lio » Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 10:23 AM UTC

Landlords forcing smart locks on tenants
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Re: Landlords forcing smart locks on tenants

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Post by lordnacho » Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 10:46 AM UTC

Is it impossible to do this safely?

Just like with my car, it would be really convenient when holding kids and a load of their stuff to not have to fish out the keys.

I suppose there's the issue of your landlord locking you out if they're unhappy with something, but surely that is not purely a technological issue.

Re: Landlords forcing smart locks on tenants

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Post by random_kris » Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 10:51 AM UTC

wow making such a drama on twitter because of this? I find it kinda funny to get triggered like that and having the need to make everything public.

Re: Landlords forcing smart locks on tenants

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Post by thecatspaw » Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 10:53 AM UTC

random_kris wrote: post #3

wow making such a drama on twitter because of this? I find it kinda funny to get triggered like that and having the need to make everything public.

I could imagine that you would not just want to stand by and do nothing if you suddenly have to move because the landlord just made your appartment very insecure

Re: Landlords forcing smart locks on tenants

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Post by Lazare » Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 10:53 AM UTC

random_kris wrote: post #3

wow making such a drama on twitter because of this? I find it kinda funny to get triggered like that and having the need to make everything public.

I think you're really underestimating how serious this is.

Re: Landlords forcing smart locks on tenants

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Post by Thorrez » Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 10:53 AM UTC

random_kris wrote: post #3

wow making such a drama on twitter because of this? I find it kinda funny to get triggered like that and having the need to make everything public.

If many people want to fight against something, making it public helps those people to find each other and organize. From some of the tweets, other people in similar situations have reached out to her.

Re: Landlords forcing smart locks on tenants

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Post by who-knows95 » Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 10:54 AM UTC

lordnacho wrote: post #2

Is it impossible to do this safely? Just like with my car, it would be really convenient when holding kids and a load of their stuff to not have to fish out the keys. I suppose there's the issue of your landlord locking you out if they're unhappy with something, but surely that is not purely a technological issue.

it's more just the huge risk right?

so many factors become part of the threat model, when you could stick to the physical lock, and really limit it.

https://twitter.com/internetofshit?lang=en is a pretty good example.

you could make a rfid chip reader part of your lock, but even that has weakness.

http://www.astclock.com/astclocks-blog/advantages-of-rfid-do...

tldr: limit your damn threat model/inconvenience.

Re: Landlords forcing smart locks on tenants

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Post by thatfrenchguy » Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 10:56 AM UTC

random_kris wrote: post #3

wow making such a drama on twitter because of this? I find it kinda funny to get triggered like that and having the need to make everything public.

You've never had a bad ex did you ?

Re: Landlords forcing smart locks on tenants

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Post by Thorrez » Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 10:57 AM UTC

who-knows95 wrote: post #7

lordnacho wrote: post #2

Is it impossible to do this safely? Just like with my car, it would be really convenient when holding kids and a load of their stuff to not have to fish out the keys. I suppose there's the issue of your landlord locking you out if they're unhappy with something, but surely that is not purely a technological issue.

it's more just the huge risk right? so many factors become part of the threat model, when you could stick to the physical lock, and really limit it. https://twitter.com/internetofshit?lang=en is a pretty good example. you could make a rfid chip reader part of your lock, but even that has weakness. http://www.astclock.com/astclocks-blog/advantages-of-rfid-do... tldr: limit your damn threat model/inconvenience.

I don't think security of entry to the apartment is the main concern (because most locks can be picked fairly easily, and criminals force doors regardless of lock).

I think privacy, network security, and availability are the bigger issues.

Re: Landlords forcing smart locks on tenants

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Post by Lazare » Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 11:00 AM UTC

lordnacho wrote: post #2

Is it impossible to do this safely? Just like with my car, it would be really convenient when holding kids and a load of their stuff to not have to fish out the keys. I suppose there's the issue of your landlord locking you out if they're unhappy with something, but surely that is not purely a technological issue.

In theory, yes, it's possible to do this safely.

But offhand I can think of several horror stories about smart locks, and no good stories. The tech just seems absurdly immature at this point. And this product, in particular, is apparently known for glitching and not working, so...