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Re: Reahl – A Python-only web framework

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Post by coldtea »

untog wrote: post #50
theamk wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it is possible to separate language from tools or community. Those things are always together. It is entirely possible that Javascript itself is an OK language, but it is too late now. The community has already decided that packages should be tiny, that changing prototype of "array" object is an acceptable thing to do, that failing fast is bad and the best reaction to errors is to mess up the page layou…

> changing prototype of "array" object is an acceptable thing to do Uhh, no? I code in JS every day and do nothing of the sort, and I would object if I saw it. > failing fast is bad and the best reaction to errors is to mess up the page layout in the unexpected way I don't even know what you mean by this, but the fact that you're conflating JS with "the page" suggests to me that you're not that familiar with server-s…

>Uhh, no? I code in JS every day and do nothing of the sort, and I would object if I saw it.

If you use Babel you already have that, and just don't know about it. Most "upcoming features" shims do just that.

Re: Reahl – A Python-only web framework

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Post by rossdavidh »

crobertsbmw wrote: post #46

It seems to me that html css and JavaScript are better suited for the job than Python, if you want to do anything complex at all. But I’m probably wrong.

Speaking as a python developer who uses Javascript and CSS only when necessary, yes, you are correct. It's not the fact that it's JS/CSS that's annoying to me about such work, and nothing about it gets better if you use python instead.

Not that it's not interesting of them to make this, but really, I had little if any temptation to try it out.

Note that it doesn't necessarily mean I think JS/CSS is _better_ suited, but in any case not worse, and I think the leap from one problem domain to another is much more significant than the leap from one language to another.

Re: Reahl – A Python-only web framework

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Post by gtirloni »

hennsen wrote: post #70
sandGorgon wrote: post #31

Quite similar to Plotly Dash, but a worse license. https://plot.ly/products/dash/ Dash is awesome for early stage , production ready prototyping.

With „worse“ you mean what exactly? Probably just „not fitting my personal needs and ideas“? That doesn’t make something generally worse... or can you tell me how it’s bad for me?

Companies are usually wary of AGPL. e.g.:

https://opensource.google.com/docs/using/agpl-policy/

Re: Reahl – A Python-only web framework

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Post by mhd »

crobertsbmw wrote: post #46

It seems to me that html css and JavaScript are better suited for the job than Python, if you want to do anything complex at all. But I’m probably wrong.

It’s a bit like the 8 bit computer age: You can get by in a high level view, but the performance might not be enough or you’re missing out on some features where you need direct access.

Given the immense speed of today’s computers, brute force might be enough, though.

Re: Reahl – A Python-only web framework

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Post by boarnoah »

sandGorgon wrote: post #31

Quite similar to Plotly Dash, but a worse license. https://plot.ly/products/dash/ Dash is awesome for early stage , production ready prototyping.

Worked with Dash this summer, its great but it's primarily intended to work with Dash components to display graphs and controls, not really for a generic web application.

The state management between the browser and the dash backend is not intended to be touched by a user.

Re: Reahl – A Python-only web framework

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Post by paulie_a »

coldtea wrote: post #89
paulie_a wrote: post #40

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Transpiling to JavaScript is a bug on the web, not a feature. node and npm is a shit show. Having to deal with it a couple days ago. I wish that entire ecosystem would just die. I can make a sophisticated python web app with 20 packages. Or in JavaScript I'll need a few hundred that have massive vulnerabilities and conflicts. Hell npm reported the most modern packages I was installing had over 200 vulnerabilities. Ja…

> node and npm is a shit show. Having to deal with it a couple days ago. I wish that entire ecosystem would just die. "I had a bad experience (being unexperienced and only delving into that ecosystem a couple days ago) so it's bad"

Or delving into it 16 years ago, teaching classes on it in college. So a little bit longer than a few days and while not a complete expert I can say I have some experience.

How about you? Do you consider yourself a senior after a couple of years of js?

Re: Reahl – A Python-only web framework

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Post by coldtea »

paulie_a wrote: post #96
coldtea wrote: post #89

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> node and npm is a shit show. Having to deal with it a couple days ago. I wish that entire ecosystem would just die. "I had a bad experience (being unexperienced and only delving into that ecosystem a couple days ago) so it's bad"

Or delving into it 16 years ago, teaching classes on it in college. So a little bit longer than a few days and while not a complete expert I can say I have some experience. How about you? Do you consider yourself a senior after a couple of years of js?

Well, I've did JS since 2000, so I'd consider myself a senior. There's lots to learn, and early Node ecosystem was immature, but it's today quite mature, well supported, with a steady update cycle, good backwards compatibility, and no worse than most of the other options.

If people want to go wild with fad frameworks and libs every year or so, that's their thing. But you can have absolutely stable systems with very few dependencies if you wish so.

Re: Reahl – A Python-only web framework

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Post by paulie_a »

coldtea wrote: post #98
paulie_a wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or delving into it 16 years ago, teaching classes on it in college. So a little bit longer than a few days and while not a complete expert I can say I have some experience. How about you? Do you consider yourself a senior after a couple of years of js?

Well, I've did JS since 2000, so I'd consider myself a senior. There's lots to learn, and early Node ecosystem was immature, but it's today quite mature, well supported, with a steady update cycle, good backwards compatibility, and no worse than most of the other options. If people want to go wild with fad frameworks and libs every year or so, that's their thing. But you can have absolutely stable systems with very f…

You can, but actually seeing it in the wild is rare. I consider myself full stack, but I try to avoid anything js because I'm inhereting someone elses shit ecosystem.

If I was forced to on a couple projects I've seen I'd ask for 10k raise.

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