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An Open Letter To Business People

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Re: An Open Letter To Business People

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post #3

A startup without a business plan isn't a business. It's just some code. I disagree. Users make it a business - and users don't care if I have a business plan. They just care if the product (i.e., code) makes their lives better.

On the other hand, a business plan without technology is not a startup either. It's just a hopeful, possibly-better-thought-out-than-normal idea.

Re: An Open Letter To Business People

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This is a nice piece overall but, having seen founders negotiate their splits countless times over nearly three decades, I would add that such negotiations tend to be more nuanced than equal splits in most cases.

Idea people may not be able to proceed without solid technical people but what they do or don't have to give them for their services is always governed by supply and demand. An exceptional technical person who will drive a company will get an equal split (or more) but someone whose skills can be supplied by a good number of people will likely get far less. Strong technical expertise does tend to be hugely important in a typical startup but is only marketable consistent with what people are willing to pay for it in light of other alternatives.

So too with idea people. Abstract ideas may not have much value but many of the best ideas come from those "in the field," i.e., who have worked extensively in a given area and have special insights about how, e.g., customer pain points can be addressed effectively. Such ideas can be incredibly valuable and they do not necessarily come from technical people. They can come from managers, from sales people, or from a broad variety of sources - even from those with a technical background who later moved into sales or management and who combine their skill set with their experience to derive special insights. When people like that want to found a company, they may lack the particular technical expertise to execute on the project but they will know enough about the industry to know where to find the best candidates to fill such a role. That may result in a 50/50 deal but it could easily result in all sorts of splits, even if one of the roles is prominent enough to be called "technical co-founder."

So, as a technical founder, you should push for as large a split as your personal qualities can command but you should not use any arbitrary formula for determining splits. The rule is and always will be to assess the situation based on the real value each person is contributing and this often leads to a wide range of founder splits that are far from equal yet are perfectly suitable for the persons involved.

That said, this again is a fine piece reminding those with technical skills not to sell themselves short in dealing with business people. There are all sorts of hustlers out there who are more than willing to take advantage of you and, if you do not value yourself properly, you will likely fall victim to them. If people really do have valuable things to contribute, however - whether on the business or on the technical side - then the process is not really that adversarial because smart people will know an opportunity when they see it, whether or not they get equal shares in the venture, and they will usually work these things out in a way that is amicable.

Re: An Open Letter To Business People

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post #16

Why do we always hear about non-technical cofounders looking for technical co-founders, rather than the other way around? Is this like some singles bar where 80% of the people are male? I for one would like to find a hustler who really knows how to hustle.

At it's core, yes. You (and me) are in the wrong place. It's like going to the Apple store and hoping to hear great things about WP7.

I don't want to be snarky, but I'm having a hard time resisting. Two technical co-founders have shuttered a business and moving on to work "hard on a new product which we're super excited about." It's great that you're super excited about it, but wouldn't it even be more exciting if you had a business minded co-founder who could demonstrate the market opportunity, or lack thereof, and make sure the time, energy, and sweat equity you're dumping into this will have some payback?

I do appreciate the use of "'technical cofounder' and not 'developer.'" I think a lot of technical co-founders that also write code have been annoyed to hell by the non-technical business people who don't understand the effort required to realize their big awesome idea.

Re: An Open Letter To Business People

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The author makes the assumption in this relationship that the technical co-founder is a talented hacker who has read all of Paul Graham's essays, maybe a Steve Blank book or two, and is well connected in the startup tech scene, all while the business co-founder is just some marketing shmuck. The characterization is unfair; there are plenty of marketing shmucks, but they should be compared against socially inept code monkeys, not this superstar technical co-founder (say, the kind that read Hacker News).

A great "business person" doesn't just flip open a roledex and start dialing for dollars once the technical co-founder has laid a magical golden software egg.

And hopefully, a technical and non-technical co-founder can find a way to work together where they don't perceive their partner as a parasitic dead-weight.

Re: An Open Letter To Business People

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post #3

A startup without a business plan isn't a business. It's just some code. I disagree. Users make it a business - and users don't care if I have a business plan. They just care if the product (i.e., code) makes their lives better.

Steve blanks blog today mentions in passing that a startup is an entity formed to discover a business model, and a business is one that executes on a business plan.

Re: An Open Letter To Business People

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post #3

A startup without a business plan isn't a business. It's just some code. I disagree. Users make it a business - and users don't care if I have a business plan. They just care if the product (i.e., code) makes their lives better.

Smanek, one reason why the failure rate of start-up failure rates are so high is because the founders of the start-up don't have a sustainable business model, or they don't know how to best convey the value proposition to customers and investors. I heard a story about two ladies who sold gift baskets back when it was novel (80s). Initially it was just a hobby, but they turned it into a business because of overwhelming demand. After several years of doing this, working 70 hours week, they looked at their books and realized they were only making 10K profit each per year. Ok? That means they're only making a few bucks an hour. They made a product that people loved, but they didn't make any money.

You need a viable business model if you want your business to succeed.

Re: An Open Letter To Business People

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post #11

I liked the piece a lot and it is roughly right. However, as a technical co-founder, I think a good measure of a business co-founder is whether he tries to solve the technical problems himself. e.g. by learning a bit of php and hacking something together. Not only does that show that he's resourceful and scrappy, but it also makes it more likely that he'll be able to talk about the product coherently i.e. understandi…

Are you willing to try to solve non technical problems by yourself?

You know, researching the market to assure you're actually building something people will want to use, finding paying customers or advertisers, dealing with investors, finding decent PR people, recruiting etc... nothing too fancy.

Re: An Open Letter To Business People

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post #14

The problem is you don't need a technical cofounder, you need a good technical founder. Just because someone is at a meetup or on Github doesn't mean they're a good technical cofounder. Finding a technical cofounder isn't too difficult. If you can't sell your idea to one developer you probably can't sell it to customers. Finding a good technical cofounder is very hard.

Not only that, but what makes a good technical co-founder depends on the business. Le sigh, co-founder dating is hard.

True... recognizing a good technical co-founder is half the battle

Re: An Open Letter To Business People

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post #19

Wrote basically the same thing a month ago. http://comments.apreche.net/166/no-you-need-a-technical-co-f... The one thing that I don't understand is how people are willing to be paid in equity. Do you people not have to pay rent? Are you living in your parents basements with someone feeding you? In the words of many a Taxi driver "NO! You pay me cash now!" Lottery tickets don't keep the lights on.

The one thing that I don't understand is how people are willing to be paid in equity. Do you people not have to pay rent? Are you living in your parents basements with someone feeding you?

Hint: savings.

Re: An Open Letter To Business People

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post #11

I liked the piece a lot and it is roughly right. However, as a technical co-founder, I think a good measure of a business co-founder is whether he tries to solve the technical problems himself. e.g. by learning a bit of php and hacking something together. Not only does that show that he's resourceful and scrappy, but it also makes it more likely that he'll be able to talk about the product coherently i.e. understandi…

Are you willing to try to solve non technical problems by yourself? You know, researching the market to assure you're actually building something people will want to use, finding paying customers or advertisers, dealing with investors, finding decent PR people, recruiting etc... nothing too fancy.

Yes.

A bit less snarky: a good measure of a technical co-founder is him trying to solve the business problems himself. For the same reasons I cited above.

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