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Apple resumes selling iPhone SE at lower $249 price on its clearance store

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Re: Apple resumes selling iPhone SE at lower $249 price on its clearance store

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Post by kijin »

simonh wrote: post #263
d--b wrote: post #243

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Totally agree. HNers do understand the tradeoffs better. It's like when they started making laptop screen reflective. All my non-tech relatives were saying: "wow that screen is super nice" while I was thinking: "holy crap, the matte screen is disappearing, how I am going to work?"

For me it’s the aspect ratio. 3:2 is ideal, so kudos to Google and MS, but 16:10 on the MacBooks is still significantly better than the mass of 16:9ers out there. Recently got a 14” Zenbook for my daughter. Lovely machine honestly, but the screen ratio is annoying.

Every screen nowadays is optimized for (occasionally) creating and (mostly) consuming video content. Most video is 16:9. There is no other explanation.

Having a large screen is also good for watching Netflix and YouTube. For many people, the phone has almost completely replaced the TV. I guess that explains why the screens keep getting bigger.

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Post by tqkxzugoaupvwqr »

mrzool wrote: post #260
stanmancan wrote: post #71

The only thing that could get me to upgrade from my iPhone 7 would be a premium version of the iPhone SE. I want a smaller phone, not a bigger one, but I want updated specs and possibly an OLED screen.

I stopped considering my iPhone SE a “small phone” and I started considering it for what it actually is: a “just right” phone. Ergonomically speaking, 4 inches is the right size for a device that is meant to be operated by a human hand. Phones bigger that that are grossly oversized and anti-ergonomic. That’s just common sense (cit. Apple): https://youtu.be/O99m7lebirE

Apple introduced one-hand mode a long time ago for its bigger models which I find helps somewhat. But what I sometimes miss is a mode to permanently resize the displayed screen area to a smaller area. With the iPhone’s current mode, the screen is only lowered so the top buttons can be reached, but the lower half is moved off-screen, and the mode is limited to a few interactions after which the displayed screen is moved up again. What I miss is a mode to permanently resize the displayed screen area to a smaller one so my thumb can reach every point. I hear some Android phones have this. Would be nice to have. Even better if I can adjust the screen area’s size to fit the length of my thumb. And when I want fullscreen again, I switch to fullscreen mode.

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Post by Geee »

mrzool wrote: post #260
stanmancan wrote: post #71

The only thing that could get me to upgrade from my iPhone 7 would be a premium version of the iPhone SE. I want a smaller phone, not a bigger one, but I want updated specs and possibly an OLED screen.

I stopped considering my iPhone SE a “small phone” and I started considering it for what it actually is: a “just right” phone. Ergonomically speaking, 4 inches is the right size for a device that is meant to be operated by a human hand. Phones bigger that that are grossly oversized and anti-ergonomic. That’s just common sense (cit. Apple): https://youtu.be/O99m7lebirE

Losing the home button and extra bezel could probably make it ergonomic up to 4.5 inches.

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Post by maxdo »

That’s so wrong... you can have a borderless formfactor form redmi(sub brand of xiaomi) for 160 usd , and 5 y.o. Design for much $200+. I’m ok that Apple price is higher, but it should be decent. What Apple is doing is selling expensive outdated tech and formfactors.

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Post by jf- »

mrzool wrote: post #260
stanmancan wrote: post #71

The only thing that could get me to upgrade from my iPhone 7 would be a premium version of the iPhone SE. I want a smaller phone, not a bigger one, but I want updated specs and possibly an OLED screen.

I stopped considering my iPhone SE a “small phone” and I started considering it for what it actually is: a “just right” phone. Ergonomically speaking, 4 inches is the right size for a device that is meant to be operated by a human hand. Phones bigger that that are grossly oversized and anti-ergonomic. That’s just common sense (cit. Apple): https://youtu.be/O99m7lebirE

You realise there is significant variation in the size of people’s hands? I consider a 4 inch phone so small as to be nearly unusable. Apple’s approach of having differently size phones for different people is the right one.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

wodenokoto wrote: post #89
lostlogin wrote: post #77

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Not only is this something I’d love, it’s also a comment that gets a lot of upvotes on Hackers News every time it’s made. Do HN readers have an unusual like for ‘small’ phones or is it just an unserved market?

Since no one here is rushing to get the small xperia phones I'm guessing it is one of those things people want, but at the same time is the first feature they are willing to give up. another case in point: parent only wants to change to smaller phone if all other specs are also improved.

Not the first feature, but I want my phone to be able to be replaced immediately if I break it, and Apple provides that with Apple stores where I usually am.

Also google took too long to come out wit Duo, so all the old people in my family learned how to use FaceTime, so now we all just stick with Apple products because it’s not worth switching to another environment, especially since Apple stuff changed much less and causes much less frustration.

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Post by adgasf »

jf- wrote: post #276
mrzool wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I stopped considering my iPhone SE a “small phone” and I started considering it for what it actually is: a “just right” phone. Ergonomically speaking, 4 inches is the right size for a device that is meant to be operated by a human hand. Phones bigger that that are grossly oversized and anti-ergonomic. That’s just common sense (cit. Apple): https://youtu.be/O99m7lebirE

You realise there is significant variation in the size of people’s hands? I consider a 4 inch phone so small as to be nearly unusable. Apple’s approach of having differently size phones for different people is the right one.

Agreed. But where's the updated small form-factor model?

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Post by Geee »

huebnerob wrote: post #119
dklsafhjskljfl wrote: post #4

The upcoming sony xz4 compact may be the only small phone with premium components, and it's extremely frustrating. It's not even /that/ small. You can find small phones but they have terrible cameras, sub HD resolutions, and bargain basement SOCs. Is the demand for a premium (or even mid range) small phone really that low?

Small phone equals small battery, and when you have a reduced power budget there's some things you just can't do. Small phone also obviously equals small hardware components. To the extent that components occupy physical space on a logic board, there's going to need to be a trade-off there. People say they 'just' want a 4" modern phone, but they define it as a phone with multiple cameras, high storage capacity, and f…

It can be made thicker.

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Post by Nullabillity »

tqkxzugoaupvwqr wrote: post #272
mrzool wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I stopped considering my iPhone SE a “small phone” and I started considering it for what it actually is: a “just right” phone. Ergonomically speaking, 4 inches is the right size for a device that is meant to be operated by a human hand. Phones bigger that that are grossly oversized and anti-ergonomic. That’s just common sense (cit. Apple): https://youtu.be/O99m7lebirE

Apple introduced one-hand mode a long time ago for its bigger models which I find helps somewhat. But what I sometimes miss is a mode to permanently resize the displayed screen area to a smaller area. With the iPhone’s current mode, the screen is only lowered so the top buttons can be reached, but the lower half is moved off-screen, and the mode is limited to a few interactions after which the displayed screen is mov…

You can do this on Android with One-Handed Mode[1]. However, personally I prefer Reachability Cursor[2] instead, which lets you temporarily shift your finger with a gesture.

[1]: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.xda.onehan...

[2]: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.niftyui.re...

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