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50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame Fat (2016)

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Re: 50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame Fat (2016)

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Post by dalore »

Udik wrote: post #199
FranzFerdiNaN wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every nation that switches to a western (American) diet gets fat.

American, maybe. Western, really? https://www.google.com/amp/s/bigthink.com/two-maps-and-one-g... It seems that obesity in Europe affects 1/4 to 1/5, while in the US is 1/3. The EU country with highest incidence of obesity is alse the one that is famous for its lack of a (decent) food culture, the UK. As an Italian, I find it hard to convince myself that US obesity problems have one single cause to blame, sugar, rath…

Have a read of books by Nina Teicholz or Gary Taubes. In there is a mountain of data showing the correlation of diets to adopting the national dietary recommendation (which vilified fats).

They all make a great case that fat is good for you (proper fat like animal, not vegetables oils which really aren't from vegetables at all).

You're right it's more than just sugar, it's carbs in general. Which includes French fries, pizza etc. The sauces they have tend to be loaded with sugar also.

One can still be healthy eating no vegetables and just meat. Just cut out carbs. And eat lots of organ meats which have high vitamin content (more than vegetables).

Another problem with cutting the fat is that vitamins are fat soluble. So no fat makes it harder to absorb.

Re: 50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame Fat (2016)

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Post by dalore »

fireattack wrote: post #149
gnulinux wrote: post #144

I grew up somewhere else and came to US when I was 18 for college. One thing that struck me was, people add sugar to their yogurt. All my life I added salt to my yogurt. I mean, I was perfectly familiar with fruit yogurt, but adding straight up sugar was new to me. My favorite snack is adding cucumber, olive oil and tons of salt to yogurt. The first time my American roommate from LA saw me eating this, he literally l…

While yogurts in America are indeed way too sweet, sweet yogurt is definitely not just an American thing. I, also from somewhere in another hemisphere, never heard of "salty yogurt". (By sweet yogurt, of course people (American or not) normally don't "add sugar" on-the-fly. It is done during making the yogurts.)

Adding salt to something sweet can make it taste sweeter and better.

Try sprinkle a dash of flu de sel over your m deserts next time and watch them pop.

Or a bit of salt on some strawberries before eating.

Fact your saliva is about 0.04% saline so any food not at that level will taste a little bland.

Re: 50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame Fat (2016)

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Post by williamdclt »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #226
stareatgoats wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

American food culture suffers from the same problem that afflicts the American culture in general: the infatuation with big : big cars, big army, big dicks, big coffee-mugs, big tits. And big soft-drinks. No surprise they have an obesity problem. Of course Americans are also usually nice people in a big way, let's not forget.

> big cars, big army, big dicks, big coffee-mugs, big tits. And big soft-drinks. One of these things is not like the others... Buying big soft drink bottles instead of small is both cost-effective (as they're usually cheaper per liter) and a plastic saving measure. (What I particularly dislike about modern consumerism is the infatuation with small : small bags of chips, small bags of fruits, individually-packaged sau…

I think the person you're answering to is talking about big cup of soft-drink, rather than big bottle. As in, big portions, not big stock.

Edit: I agree with your complaint about packaging, but it's another problem that's not uncompatible

Re: 50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame Fat (2016)

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Post by babuskov »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #226
stareatgoats wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

American food culture suffers from the same problem that afflicts the American culture in general: the infatuation with big : big cars, big army, big dicks, big coffee-mugs, big tits. And big soft-drinks. No surprise they have an obesity problem. Of course Americans are also usually nice people in a big way, let's not forget.

> big cars, big army, big dicks, big coffee-mugs, big tits. And big soft-drinks. One of these things is not like the others... Buying big soft drink bottles instead of small is both cost-effective (as they're usually cheaper per liter) and a plastic saving measure. (What I particularly dislike about modern consumerism is the infatuation with small : small bags of chips, small bags of fruits, individually-packaged sau…

> Buying big soft drink bottles instead of small is both cost-effective

Carbonated drinks fizzle out quickly and they don't taste that good afterwards. So, if you buy bigger bottles, you are inclined to drink more so it doesn't go to waste.

Re: 50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame Fat (2016)

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Post by williamdclt »

dalore wrote: post #232
masklinn wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Leaded gas was a big one, AGW denial is a big one.

What's AGW?

Google says "Anthropogenic Global Warming", the concept that human activity has an impact on global warming

Re: 50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame Fat (2016)

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Post by williamdclt »

gnulinux wrote: post #144

I grew up somewhere else and came to US when I was 18 for college. One thing that struck me was, people add sugar to their yogurt. All my life I added salt to my yogurt. I mean, I was perfectly familiar with fruit yogurt, but adding straight up sugar was new to me. My favorite snack is adding cucumber, olive oil and tons of salt to yogurt. The first time my American roommate from LA saw me eating this, he literally l…

    people add sugar to their yogurt
We do this in France (at least, kids do and some adults), even with a (I think) decent food/cooking culture

Re: 50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame Fat (2016)

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Post by Reason077 »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #226
stareatgoats wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

American food culture suffers from the same problem that afflicts the American culture in general: the infatuation with big : big cars, big army, big dicks, big coffee-mugs, big tits. And big soft-drinks. No surprise they have an obesity problem. Of course Americans are also usually nice people in a big way, let's not forget.

> big cars, big army, big dicks, big coffee-mugs, big tits. And big soft-drinks. One of these things is not like the others... Buying big soft drink bottles instead of small is both cost-effective (as they're usually cheaper per liter) and a plastic saving measure. (What I particularly dislike about modern consumerism is the infatuation with small : small bags of chips, small bags of fruits, individually-packaged sau…

> "Buying big soft drink bottles instead of small is both cost-effective"

True, but bigger serving sizes have been shown to increase consumption. If you reduce soft-drink serving sizes from 500ml to 350ml, for example, most people will not purchase two - and will consume less overall.

Re: 50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame Fat (2016)

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Post by aznumeric »

masklinn wrote: post #212
wallace_f wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many others exist. Leaded gasoline is a big one.

Leaded gas was a big one, AGW denial is a big one.

Scientists lied about sugar, maybe they're also lying about anthropogenic global warming. They were also wrong about lead, mercury, asbestos, DDT.

Re: 50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame Fat (2016)

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Post by jkaplowitz »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #226
stareatgoats wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

American food culture suffers from the same problem that afflicts the American culture in general: the infatuation with big : big cars, big army, big dicks, big coffee-mugs, big tits. And big soft-drinks. No surprise they have an obesity problem. Of course Americans are also usually nice people in a big way, let's not forget.

> big cars, big army, big dicks, big coffee-mugs, big tits. And big soft-drinks. One of these things is not like the others... Buying big soft drink bottles instead of small is both cost-effective (as they're usually cheaper per liter) and a plastic saving measure. (What I particularly dislike about modern consumerism is the infatuation with small : small bags of chips, small bags of fruits, individually-packaged sau…

I like small for consumption on the go, such as waiting for a train or bus, without wasting food/drink or overeating ... But I do agree with you about plastic waste. I'd prefer some other packaging solution, such as if a snack vending machine could sanitarily transfer the contents of a bag of chips to my own reusable, washable, foldable (when empty) snack bag. No, I don't have a good practical answer right now.
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