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Re: The creeping IT apocalypse

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Post by MRD85 »

taude wrote: post #266
MRD85 wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From your perspective, what is the issue with a lot of the current college graduates? I'm a college student studying computer science, and I feel like I'd be ready to start work really soon. I'm also the sort of CS student who reads Hackernews, participates in CTFs, maintains a perfect GPA, has side projects, etc.

It sounds like you're on the right path, combined with a decent personal passion project and some summer internships. Some things I see that give me pause: 1) No project work. Lack of interest in building things on their own, researching frameworks, building out small apps, etc. I'd like to see even a small attempt at learning tooling and frameworks used on real world projects (it doesn't have to even be close to the…

I do actually have projects; I mention that in my post. Which websites would you recommend however?

Re: The creeping IT apocalypse

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Post by smadineni »

illumin8 wrote: post #270
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #256

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People keep stating "you need less people" with the cloud like its an objective truth, when there's really no evidence of it, and I'd argue its patently false. You end up paying both your own IT and the cloud providers' IT, for a product that also doesn't work when your internet is slow or down. The main thing moved to the cloud where I work leads us receiving and handling the same number of support tickets as when i…

You need less people with cloud is objectively true, as long as you do it properly. If you're simply running EC2 instances with your same off the shelf software, you're not doing it right, but you'll still eliminate your entire datacenter physical facilities team and server install/rack & stack/replace failed disks team. If you do it properly, it's incredible what you can do. I have a client with applications running…

Nice. I wouldn't mind joining you for a contract

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Post by Latteland »

nradov wrote: post #267
geggam wrote: post #263

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I expect you to know fundamentals about things like TCP networking and how to install, configure and manage Linux Distributions. I find many people who can install Ubuntu and run the canned commands or curl foo.sh | sudo bash or docker / k8s scripts they download, think they know what they are doing. They dont. Its getting to the point someone who can install windows is more technical than someone who can install lin…

Your expectations are unrealistic and counterproductive. Bachelor's degree programs shouldn't be teaching students how to install Linux. That's just job training, not education.

Agree, installing linux is IT, not normally in the background of CS. It's not that hard, devs could figure it out. Yes, I built my own machines because that was a lot cheaper. But no one taught me that in my cs program.

Re: The creeping IT apocalypse

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Post by geggam »

nradov wrote: post #267
geggam wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I expect you to know fundamentals about things like TCP networking and how to install, configure and manage Linux Distributions. I find many people who can install Ubuntu and run the canned commands or curl foo.sh | sudo bash or docker / k8s scripts they download, think they know what they are doing. They dont. Its getting to the point someone who can install windows is more technical than someone who can install lin…

Your expectations are unrealistic and counterproductive. Bachelor's degree programs shouldn't be teaching students how to install Linux. That's just job training, not education.

When the job is managing Linux systems and colleges arent producing people who know how there is a problem

Re: The creeping IT apocalypse

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Post by nradov »

geggam wrote: post #274
nradov wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your expectations are unrealistic and counterproductive. Bachelor's degree programs shouldn't be teaching students how to install Linux. That's just job training, not education.

When the job is managing Linux systems and colleges arent producing people who know how there is a problem

Bachelor's degree programs aren't intended to provide job training on narrow technical skills that will probably be obsolete in a few years anyway. If you want entry level Linux sysadmins then hire college graduates with the right aptitude and train them, or recruit from community colleges which do provide technical job training.

Re: The creeping IT apocalypse

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Post by taude »

MRD85 wrote: post #271
taude wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like you're on the right path, combined with a decent personal passion project and some summer internships. Some things I see that give me pause: 1) No project work. Lack of interest in building things on their own, researching frameworks, building out small apps, etc. I'd like to see even a small attempt at learning tooling and frameworks used on real world projects (it doesn't have to even be close to the…

I do actually have projects; I mention that in my post. Which websites would you recommend however?

I wouldn't recommend any in particular, but let your interests guide you. If your into front-end development, there's probably some bloggers who write about your favorite frameworks; or your favorite language; or if you're interesting in enterprise dev, you might follow InfoQ or Fowler's blog; Or with AWS you might read Cloud Guru's weekly updates on AWS, or Werner Vogels Blog, etc; you might be interested in startups, so your read one of the many VC blogs, etc...

I don't really have any preferences with what you're reading. Just the fact that there's some part of technology that fascinates you enough to read further, on your own in a self-directed way. It shows curiosity and initiative. I always like this part of my conversations because I often get to learn something new myself.

Re: The creeping IT apocalypse

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Post by Latteland »

kamarg wrote: post #127
kypro wrote: post #90

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I don't know if you know any working class people, but a lot of them simply don't have the intellectual capacity for tech work - which is often why they flip burgers.

And a lot of them also just didn't have the opportunity to learn it but are easily smart enough to pick it up when their ability to make a living depends on it. Let's say 10% of these working class people just need a push to discover they're actually decent at coding/devops/admin/etc. 3,500,000 truck drivers means an additional 350,000 people competing for IT jobs. Now factor in all the other people employed in these…

There are no doubt already 300k job openings for different kinds of tech work in the US. There's probably 30k jobs just in Seattle (endless local npr series about jobs at https://www.kuow.org/series/region-of-boom). But not everyone will make it as an programmer, we need so many jobs for different skill sets.

Re: The creeping IT apocalypse

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Post by seanmmasters »

jpatokal wrote: post #207
munin wrote: post #5

This kind of change has also impacted me. It shows up when I'm trying to give students advice about starting their careers, and I realize that the first jobs I had (system administrator, SOC worker) have been replaced by robots. Especially in the SOC, I was a "Tier 1" analyst that would do monitoring (watching a bank of green lights waiting for one to turn red) and first level triage and analysis. This has been repla…

The one entry level IT job that is not going away is tech support. Sure, some parts of it can be outsourced, but beyond a certain point you need a person on-site to figure out why the Internet is broken. The Cloud companies are also hiring armies of support people, and it's a great way to kickstart your career in any of these companies while getting company provided training in the tech.

Not with AWS Outposts, and you can bet Google and Microsoft won't be far behind.
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