50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame Fat (2016)

Post by hkeide » Sat, Jan 19, 2019, 7:07 AM UTC

DoreenMichele wrote: post #89

darkerside wrote: post #85

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Sad that this is getting down voted. Science is wonderful, and it's behind many incredible breakthroughs in modern technology, obviously. But in my book, logic beats science every time. You can point to all the studies in the world, but if they conflict with my own literal experience, I am going to be at the very least skeptical of the science.

Thank you. I wish people would actually engage me on the logic rather than acting like I must be crazy and making things up while they pretend such assumptions aren't some form of prejudice. I'm starved for actual meaty engagement on such subjects. Like explain to me why you think I'm wrong instead of telling me I hallucinated my entire life and if I really do have CF and I really am getting well, it's 18 years of pl…

Post by squirrelicus » Sat, Jan 19, 2019, 7:07 AM UTC

joe_the_user wrote: post #133

mgamache wrote: post #80

This is way bigger than sugar or even one segment of research. This type of corrupting influence (direct or indirect) provides enough uncertainty to allow people to ignore all research that doesn't confirm their personal bias. It also fuels the anti-science groups that claim conspiracies to hide the 'truth'.

This is way bigger than sugar or even one segment of research. In one sense maybe but it's hard for any one other factor to be larger than sugar in contributing to the decline of American (and world-wide) health.

Post by squirrelicus » Sat, Jan 19, 2019, 7:11 AM UTC

DoreenMichele wrote: post #119

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #116

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> Racial profiling is a form of prejudice and racism but fits your accepted logic that it's fine to, for example, infer this black guy is more likely to be a criminal because of the color of his skin because statistics support that. We don't do that not because it's irrational [1], but because of the ethical viewpoint that everyone should get a fair shake, regardless of the statistical background of their racial grou…

I'm not claiming to be a protected class. I'm merely frustrated at the preponderance of people on the internet who are unqualified to rebut what I'm saying because they don't have sufficient knowledge of the topic, yet are trigger happy about concluding that I'm both wrong and mentally unstable. My only desire is to be able to engage in meaningful discussion on the topic. Dismissing me as a nutcase when you aren't qu…

Post by fiblye » Sat, Jan 19, 2019, 7:17 AM UTC

sjwright wrote: post #94

ummonk wrote: post #86

And 50 years later I still struggle to find yogurt that hasn’t been stripped of its fat at office snack fridges.

I often struggle to find yoghurt for children that is flavoured but not intensely sweetened... though even that's beginning to change in Australia with some great options from a few different brands. Look at these macros—pretty impressive for a kids food: http://www.tamarvalleydairy.com.au/wp-content/uploads/Screen... Unfortunately they only sell it in pouches—no option to buy the same product in a large tub.

Post by gnulinux » Sat, Jan 19, 2019, 7:21 AM UTC

fireattack wrote: post #149

gnulinux wrote: post #144

I grew up somewhere else and came to US when I was 18 for college. One thing that struck me was, people add sugar to their yogurt. All my life I added salt to my yogurt. I mean, I was perfectly familiar with fruit yogurt, but adding straight up sugar was new to me. My favorite snack is adding cucumber, olive oil and tons of salt to yogurt. The first time my American roommate from LA saw me eating this, he literally l…

While yogurts in America are indeed way too sweet, sweet yogurt is definitely not just an American thing. I, also from somewhere in another hemisphere, never heard of "salty yogurt". (By sweet yogurt, of course people (American or not) normally don't "add sugar" on-the-fly. It is done during making the yogurts.)