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50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame Fat (2016)

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Post by emmelaich »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #28

I took Intro to Psychology in my mid to late twenties. We were required to participate in a study as part of the class. IIRC, the study was being performed by a grad student in pursuit of their degree. So, really, both the "scientist" and subjects of the study were kind of compelled to participate. No one was there of their free will. We were all trying to tick off an educational checkbox on our way to a sheepskin in…

> None of us were fooled ...

Related - the rat experiment described in http://calteches.library.caltech.edu/51/2/CargoCult.htm

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Post by ScottBurson »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #111
DoreenMichele wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think I asked that. I think someone else commented on the downvotes. I'm just making the observation that you are being incredibly dismissive of me while not actually engaging any of my points. Probably, I shouldn't have replied to such a dismissive position to begin with. The problem being I mostly get dismissive replies that don't take me seriously, so such a policy would have me not talking on HN at all, b…

> I don't think I asked that. I think someone else commented on the downvotes. My apologies. You thanked someone who had complained about the downvotes, and said, "I wish people would actually engage me . . ." You did not yourself ask why you were getting downvoted. > The word for this paragraph is "prejudice." No, at least in common parlance (and in the dictionary) prejudice requires that the opinion be based on nei…

Nothing requires you to spend your own time investigating hypotheses you don't find plausible. But if you don't know enough about the subject to engage a conversation like this in some detail, a general statement that most nonexpert hypotheses are wrong really contributes nothing at all to the conversation and is frankly quite tiresome. Silence would, indeed, have been the wiser choice.

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will_brown wrote: post #34
pascalxus wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nutrition is so much more nuanced than any of us really know. Everytime I think i know something, I learn more details and learn that there's even more to it. Sure, Sugar can be acceptable if you use it responsibly. You can even safely consume a Soda if you're in a glycogen depleted state such as after a marathon or from 16 hours of fasting. But, do you really wanna waste you're precious calorie/sugar alotment for th…

>You can even safely consume a Soda if you're in a glycogen depleted state such as after a marathon You “could” but that will also not help, and actually hurt, with the natural inflammation from running. If you ran the marathon in ketosis, you really wouldn’t be in a “glycogen depleted State” - even though that’s what ketosis generally is - because your body and brain are primarily running on ketones and internally p…

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Re: 50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame Fat (2016)

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Post by gnulinux »

I grew up somewhere else and came to US when I was 18 for college. One thing that struck me was, people add sugar to their yogurt. All my life I added salt to my yogurt. I mean, I was perfectly familiar with fruit yogurt, but adding straight up sugar was new to me. My favorite snack is adding cucumber, olive oil and tons of salt to yogurt. The first time my American roommate from LA saw me eating this, he literally lost himself. He almost puked. He said "this is so against the idea of yogurt. Yogurt must be eaten sweet".

Re: 50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame Fat (2016)

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Post by fireattack »

ummonk wrote: post #86

And 50 years later I still struggle to find yogurt that hasn’t been stripped of its fat at office snack fridges.

Yogurt in America really sucks.

They're either "Greek" (strained yogurt), which tastes horrible IMO, or sweetened to death with artificial flavors.

I just want some "traditional" types that are sweetened by just sugar with no whey or whatever stripped out.

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Post by masonic »

gnulinux wrote: post #144

I grew up somewhere else and came to US when I was 18 for college. One thing that struck me was, people add sugar to their yogurt. All my life I added salt to my yogurt. I mean, I was perfectly familiar with fruit yogurt, but adding straight up sugar was new to me. My favorite snack is adding cucumber, olive oil and tons of salt to yogurt. The first time my American roommate from LA saw me eating this, he literally l…

  people add sugar to their yogurt.
I literally have never seen this.

For my own use, sugar stats are my top criteria for rejecting yogurt.

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Post by masonic »

bluejekyll wrote: post #96
sjwright wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I often struggle to find yoghurt for children that is flavoured but not intensely sweetened... though even that's beginning to change in Australia with some great options from a few different brands. Look at these macros—pretty impressive for a kids food: http://www.tamarvalleydairy.com.au/wp-content/uploads/Screen... Unfortunately they only sell it in pouches—no option to buy the same product in a large tub.

Yogurt is fairly easy to make at home, especially with electric pressure cookers like instant pot. Then you can guarantee what goes into it.

Where do you get cultures (or determine which are naturally present)?

Re: 50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame Fat (2016)

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Post by fireattack »

gnulinux wrote: post #144

I grew up somewhere else and came to US when I was 18 for college. One thing that struck me was, people add sugar to their yogurt. All my life I added salt to my yogurt. I mean, I was perfectly familiar with fruit yogurt, but adding straight up sugar was new to me. My favorite snack is adding cucumber, olive oil and tons of salt to yogurt. The first time my American roommate from LA saw me eating this, he literally l…

While yogurts in America are indeed way too sweet, sweet yogurt is definitely not just an American thing.

I, also from somewhere in another hemisphere, never heard of "salty yogurt".

(By sweet yogurt, of course people (American or not) normally don't "add sugar" on-the-fly. It is done during making the yogurts.)

Re: 50 Years Ago, the Sugar Industry Paid Scientists to Blame Fat (2016)

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Post by masonic »

byproxy wrote: post #129
ummonk wrote: post #86

And 50 years later I still struggle to find yogurt that hasn’t been stripped of its fat at office snack fridges.

I personally don't mind. In fact, I look for yogurt that's low in fat and low in sugar as it tends to be high in protein and relatively low in calories, case in point FAGE Total 0%. 90 calories and 18g of protein in a 6oz. serving. Better than most protein bars.

FAGE and Chobani seem to be the best of supermarket yogurts (and Yoplait the worst).
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