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Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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Post by sizzle »

thomasec wrote: post #151

We had a similar (but thankfully, less serious) thing happen with Rover. We booked a dog sitter for 4 days with a woman named "Leslie". When we showed up to "Leslie's" place, the lady who we met did not match the person in the photo, and barely spoke any english. We were on our way to the airport, so I really didn't have a choice at that point but to leave our dog (I realize now I should have done more vetting, or me…

Why not put an IP camera on your pooch and front yard for the peace of mind and to verify they are actually doing their job?

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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Post by ddingus »

thisisit wrote: post #74
james_s_tayler wrote: post #15

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It definitely seems they could and need to do more to tighten up the accountability on the platform. No doubt about that. I don't know that it's accurate to say the contractor doesn't care. If they were a psychopath I could agree with that, but most people have had the experience of having either a pet, friend or relative die and know how deeply it affects people emotionally and to know you were responsible for that…

> Edit: Platforms don't kill dogs; people do. Stop trusting people. I disagree with that notion. Trust has always been a big problem. But when a two way market is built on a platform you trust the platform to carry out it's due diligence on your behalf. Situations like: The walker that was with Winnie when she was killed had a different name in her bio paragraph than was shown on her profile—which makes me wonder if…

Secondly, not actually dealing with the trust problem very seriously limits the actual value the platform provides. Margins should be ultra thin.

Lack of progress on that front has been a big turn off for me. I generally do not make use of gig services.

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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Post by masonic »

ddingus wrote: post #156
masonic wrote: post #144

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and that is a federal law. There is no such Federal law, as Federal law has no nexus in a local police encounter (unless there is a civil rights element).

Or one encounters federal police. DHS is out there and on patrol now.

There is no such Federal law. Animal cruelty to a dog owned by a Federal agency would be a state statute.

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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Post by Rapzid »

ravenstine wrote: post #16

I was going to reply with a reply about this being "statistically bound to happen", until I read this: > If we wanted to be compensated we had to agree not to tell anyone what happened, we could not leave any negative reviews, we could not make posts on social media, we could not hold Wag or the walker responsible, and only then would Wag reimburse us for Winnie’s cremation. When we responded that we would not sign t…

I'm really torn on this.. That's typical settlement stuff. They are of course free to go to court and leave all the negative reviews they like?

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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Post by onion2k »

oldgradstudent wrote: post #137
onion2k wrote: post #104

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We do have Wag's side of the story. They decided to only reimburse costs if a customer signs an NDA, and then they decided to revoke their offer when the customer refused to sign. Wag don't need to add anything more than that for us to know they care more about a very small amount of money than the dogs customers entrust to the care of the walkers they employ. To be honest the money is actually a small and distractin…

> We do have Wag's side of the story. No, you don't. You only have someone's claims about Wag's side of the story. It sounds authentic, but Internet is full with authentic-sounding false stories.

Is it more likely that someone is lying on the internet about their dog being killed, with no one they know replying in the comments to call them out, or that a startup is catastrophically bad at PR and just basic human empathy?

The principle of Occam's Razor applies here.

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Post by benatkin »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #111
kdf83 wrote: post #95

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"In any case, Wag and its walker are probably not at fault. I'd be after the driver." Have you considered the dog was at fault? I mean unless the leash is incredible short it would be pretty easy to jump into an oncoming car if pavement is small. Playing devil advocate here but since we've considered Wag, the walker and driver surely we can consider the animal at fault too unless the lease was 20cms and dog was pract…

> Have you considered the dog was at fault? It is never the dog’s fault. We brought the dog into an unnatural environment. It is in our power and thus our responsibility to keep them safe. This is why pet accidents are so devastating.

Dogs have been domesticated for millennia, and because of that, bringing them into an artificial environment is different than causing a wild animal to be in an artificial environment. There's absolutely nothing inappropriate about having a dog in an artificial environment. It's not the artificiality of the accident that's the problem, it's the harm that's the problem.

The fault in an accident, be it car and car, car and pedestrian, car and cyclist, cyclist and pedestrian, cyclist and cyclist, or even pedestrian and pedestrian, doesn't necessarily mean moral culpability. Dogs are never culpable because they lack agency, but considering them to be at fault in an accident for the purposes of determining recourse isn't too far-fetched.

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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Post by rayvy »

ohazi wrote: post #135
labster wrote: post #120

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Why would anyone care if an undocumented immigrant drove your uber? As long as they're licensed and insured, they're just as qualified as any other driver.

There's no way any insurance company providing the kind of commercial insurance you need to drive for Uber would be okay with a driver using someone else's Uber account, immigrant or otherwise. The finger-pointing likely to result from an incident would make this driver as good as uninsured.

Interesting story but someone I work with was actually severely rear-ended by an Uber driver heading to the airport, and she said the driver's insurance wouldn't cover the driver because the driver was acting as an Uber driver at the time of the accident. Don't know the insurance co., but I definitely remember being shocked by the fact that they wouldn't cover the driver for that reason

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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Post by X6S1x6Okd1st »

eropple wrote: post #145
crowbahr wrote: post #117

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While you're correct do note that not everyone can handle or wants to go through the pain of training a shelter dog. A dog you've raised from 8 weeks old is very different than a dog someone else has already abused and abandoned. Even if they're only 6 months old the habits have been learned and they're hard to break. Young puppies go instantly from shelters for that reason, and few people want to adopt a pit bull wi…

Yup. Both our dogs are shelter dogs and we love 'em, but in the newest dog's case--he's probably around three, we've had him for about six months--there are enough issues that a lot of people wouldn't want to deal with some people just couldn't, while still being very good caretakers of better-adjusted dogs. In ours's case: he's not a barker and he's incredibly gentle, but he's both dumb as a post (not the shelter-do…

One of our dogs is a shelter dog and the other was given up on by it's original owner, but never made it to the shelter.

Both of them required training and care beyond what most people are prepared to give.

I love my dogs, but if I could have avoided the training to get them to where they are now I would have.

Yet if we adopt another dog it'll likely be from a shelter or rescue.

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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Post by kingofpandora »

jasonbarrah wrote: post #139
mrob wrote: post #107

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A dog is an animal. It has no moral responsibility. If a dog does something wrong the fault lies with the person in charge who failed to control it. A professional dog walker should be aware of traffic and anticipate how the dog might react.

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Let me preface this by saying I've never paid for a Lyft or Uber in my life and probably never will.

However, what you just described sounds like a typical taxi ride as well, i.e. with a professional driver.

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