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The elite that failed

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Re: The elite that failed

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This is a time where the monarch can and should apply mild pressure. That’s kind of the benefit of a monarchy, they have the long term interest at heart and can (used sparingly) knock people into place

Wouldn't that only aggravate republicans?

Do republicans even exist, outside London?

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2016: brexit vote indicates failure of elite 2019: failure to ratify vote indicates failure of elite pick one

"They shouldn't have riled people up to vote for brexit, but once the people did, they should have carried it out". No need to pick one.

Re: The elite that failed

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2016: brexit vote indicates failure of elite 2019: failure to ratify vote indicates failure of elite pick one

How about "Forcing a brexit vote indicates a failure of the elite. Failure to ratify a brexit deal indicates a further failure of the elite"

"Too much democracy indicates a failure of the elite."

"Too little democracy indicates a failure of the elite."

Pick one.

Re: The elite that failed

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Perhaps if the Brexit referendum required 66% or some other supermajority, this would not be so hard to make happen.

I don't know enough about Brexit to know whether I would be in the leave or remain camp if I was allowed to vote in the referendum, but I do know that they screwed up in the beginning by making this massive decision only need 50% + 1 vote in order to be passed. However, since those were the rules of the game, I do think they should go forward with it.

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2016: brexit vote indicates failure of elite 2019: failure to ratify vote indicates failure of elite pick one

The vote has been "ratified" because it only asked if Britain should leave the EU, and without a new referendum, it will.

If I had to model an elite failure it is this: people on both sides began to pretend a "hard" Brexit was an unthinkable catastrophe, this after an even sillier period when people talked as if Britain got to choose between soft and hard Brexits as a kind of policy choice.

In truth such things could only ever have been the outcome of a negotiation (or failure of negotiation) with the rest of the EU. The government should, from the get-go, have said "we will try to negotiate a deal, but we will also prepare for a hard exit".

This would have both prepared the country in the case of an outcome like this, and reduced the chances of it too by strengthening May's position when negotiating the terms of an exit -- thus making the final deal more acceptable to Parliament.

Re: The elite that failed

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This is a time where the monarch can and should apply mild pressure. That’s kind of the benefit of a monarchy, they have the long term interest at heart and can (used sparingly) knock people into place

The monarchs continued legitimacy and global reach is only sustained through a lack of domestic political involvement.
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