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Post by normal_man »

wasdfff wrote: post #168
normal_man wrote: post #59

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I mean this is already an acknowledged good approach. Companies don't want to make that investment though, hiring both a senior and a junior who won't be immediately productive, and keep chasing the mythical senior who will work for mid-level salary.

That’s shitty on the company then. Senior engineers work way more efficiently if they have a junior working under them to crank out busywork. The junior then knows exactly how to succeed in a senior level position from working intimately with the senior engineer.

Companies being shitty and prioritizing quarterly margins over long-term success is like the entire basis of the modern economy

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Post by empthought »

F_J_H wrote: post #124
dleslie wrote: post #120

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Which tool?

I hesitate to say it on HN as everyone seems to hate Oracle (and for good reason), but the tool is Oracle Application Express. ( https://apex.oracle.com/en/ ) In my earlier consulting role, and now as a CDO, it's my go-to tool for CRUD and data presentation apps. (I don't work for Oracle.)

I used that for small internal LOB apps at a huge bank when it was still called HTMLDB. It saved a huge amount of time, despite its architecture making experienced developers wince.

I wish I had the time to spare to build a PostgreSQL/Python clone of it.

Though SQL is certainly a form of code; it's just nice restricted domain-specific code that people without the title "engineer" or "developer" often know.

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Post by hi41 »

I am a developer on HP/Nonstop. Can someone please explain what automation means with respect to software. Is it bash scripts? I can see bash scripts doing routine tasks but not complicated business logic which I think can only be done by writing programs. I lost my job due to outsourcing not automation.

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Post by pmoriarty »

hi41 wrote: post #204

I am a developer on HP/Nonstop. Can someone please explain what automation means with respect to software. Is it bash scripts? I can see bash scripts doing routine tasks but not complicated business logic which I think can only be done by writing programs. I lost my job due to outsourcing not automation.

"I can see bash scripts doing routine tasks but not complicated business logic which I think can only be done by writing programs."

Bash scripts are programs.

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Post by mdmnk »

mx24 wrote: post #198
kyberias wrote: post #18

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Ok, question: What exactly do you mean by this: '“senior application developers” who munge JSON in C#' Why did you choose to JSON and C# in particular here?

Because it's quite trendy to hate on all things Microsoft, especially in Silicon Valley startup culture. I'm a C# developer and have had other developers cringe in my face when I tell them I'm a C#/.NET developer.

I use VSCode and develop exclusively on Windows 10. I also have mac and linux machines. I think its better to be agnostic when it comes to language and OS.

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Post by jpatokal »

munin wrote: post #5

This kind of change has also impacted me. It shows up when I'm trying to give students advice about starting their careers, and I realize that the first jobs I had (system administrator, SOC worker) have been replaced by robots. Especially in the SOC, I was a "Tier 1" analyst that would do monitoring (watching a bank of green lights waiting for one to turn red) and first level triage and analysis. This has been repla…

The one entry level IT job that is not going away is tech support. Sure, some parts of it can be outsourced, but beyond a certain point you need a person on-site to figure out why the Internet is broken.

The Cloud companies are also hiring armies of support people, and it's a great way to kickstart your career in any of these companies while getting company provided training in the tech.

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Post by dfischer »

munin wrote: post #5

This kind of change has also impacted me. It shows up when I'm trying to give students advice about starting their careers, and I realize that the first jobs I had (system administrator, SOC worker) have been replaced by robots. Especially in the SOC, I was a "Tier 1" analyst that would do monitoring (watching a bank of green lights waiting for one to turn red) and first level triage and analysis. This has been repla…

Education innovation is definitely a massive problem to solve. Especially because of a weird mix of control and influence Universities have between dictating k-12, expected job fulfillment vs skill, and their government sanctioned student debt vehicle unavoidable by bankruptcy.

We need a more decentralized education system top-down that isn't tightly coupled to the gov.

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Post by softawre »

dennisgorelik wrote: post #155
geggam wrote: post #62

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This. Competence is reducing per capita. The market is saturated with IT people who dont know what they are doing

The average competence is NOT reducing. What is reducing is demand for mediocre (and low) competence. This trend results in less competent people flooding the job market.

But if demand for low competence people goes down, those people aren't learning on the job, therefore decreasing the average competence of the workforce.
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