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Elsevier journal editors resign, start rival open-access journal

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Re: Elsevier journal editors resign, start rival open-access journal

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Post by estsauver »

afpx wrote: post #40

Not too long ago, I had communications with Elsevier's technology team, and through that experience, I also spoke with some of their directors. Let me say that the experience was kind of mind-boggling and surreal. My impression is that Elsevier is a company locked into the past by a couple of decades. The leadership that I spoke with seemed to have worked in publishing for a very long time. And, probably because of t…

Hey, I have a couple questions I'd like to ask you @apfx, but I didn't see an email. Would you mind sending me an email at earl at apolloagriculture dot com, I'd like to hear more.

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Post by pvaldes »

snambi wrote: post #59
afpx wrote: post #40

Not too long ago, I had communications with Elsevier's technology team, and through that experience, I also spoke with some of their directors. Let me say that the experience was kind of mind-boggling and surreal. My impression is that Elsevier is a company locked into the past by a couple of decades. The leadership that I spoke with seemed to have worked in publishing for a very long time. And, probably because of t…

Who reads all these journals? Let alone pay for them...

Every single scientist in the planet, probably.

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Post by pvaldes »

wlesieutre wrote: post #46
rusticpenn wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Researchers dont get any money for writing papers in those journals, Infact, researchers have to pay to get their paper published in most of these journals.

Pay out of their research budget with your tax dollars

Or not. Or advance the money for a year and, maybe baby, recover the funds one year later... you would be surprised.

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Post by mindcrime »

Vinnl wrote: post #45
jononor wrote: post #23

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Agreed that it could be useful to have a "go to" project to rally around. Arxiv.org is very successful for pre-prints, at least in some fields like computer science. Maybe a modern "journal" offering review and editing could be built on top of that? It would utilize open reviews instead of the traditional anonymous private reviews. Once a certain bar has been reached with reviews, the paper can be nominated for appea…

The usual parlance for that is an "overlay journal", and there are quite a few of those now. Many of them use Scholastica [1]. [1] https://scholasticahq.com/

Yep. Discrete Analysis is perhaps one of the best known of those.

https://gowers.wordpress.com/2015/09/10/discrete-analysis-an...

https://discreteanalysisjournal.com/

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Post by gh02t »

justinpombrio wrote: post #47
geezerjay wrote: post #26

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That's very true, but in practice these corporations argue that that particular paper is their copyright, not the research. Thus, just because the general public need to pay to access a particular document, that doesn't mean they are barred from the research.

Researcher here. That argument is bullshit. Papers are the main method for researchers to communicate their findings. They're written by the researchers themselves, who are often funded by taxpayer dollars, and reviewed by other researchers for free . I hear that sometimes a publisher will do some copy editing at the end, but in my field there's nothing beyond some simple formatting checks. Which is why you can find…

> It is incredibly silly that it's legal for taxpayer-funded research papers to be hidden behind a paywall

I know at least for research funded by the Department of Energy, after 1 year any published articles become freely available regardless of the publisher's access policy (excepting classified material, of course).

https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/08/f18/DOE_Publ...

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Post by Fomite »

chr1 wrote: post #119
Fomite wrote: post #82

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One problem this does is it shifts the costs of this to individual projects . In my field, the average OA field is probably around $3000. Assuming a five year project that produces 5 papers a year (not unreasonable), you get $75,000. That's almost exactly what it costs, with salary, tuition, and fringe, to support two graduate students. So funders would have to accept getting less productivity from the same projects.…

The OA is a scam. Publishing on Arxiv or putting the article on github, are much better free alternatives.

Yeah...see neither one of those is going to let me keep my job or secure more funding, so no.

Also, putting something on Github or Arxiv isn't publishing. Peer review or it didn't happen.

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Post by a_e_k »

mr_gibbins wrote: post #48
ArtWomb wrote: post #25

Journal of Computer Graphics Techniques recently published a breakdown of their costs hosting an open journal. Approx. $100 per annum ;) http://jcgt.org/news/2018-01-04-expenses.html

I'd be interested to know if there are any additional costs involved to have the journal listed in the major directories, getting/calculating an impact factor, promoting it to institutions and so forth. This example calls itself a journal but looks a lot like a website and not much more.

Yes, JCGT is fairly small but it does have a pedigree. After the fifth and last of the Graphics Gems books series, the Journal of Graphics Tools was founded in 1996 as a venue to continue publishing gem-like articles. It was a print journal owned and published by A K Peters. Back in 2012, most of the editorial board resigned and immediately refounded as the open access, online Journal of Computer Graphics Techniques. No, it's not as prestigious as, say, Proc. SIGGRAPH. But it is reputable and you can still trace its lineage a good ways back.

(Disclaimer -- I'm co-author on a paper published at JCGT and have been a collaborator with a few members of its editorial board. It's still a highlight of my career have published with Tom Duff of "Duff's Device" fame and had the paper get a nice twitter mention from John Carmack: https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/846525438797086720)

Re: Elsevier journal editors resign, start rival open-access journal

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Post by robertwalsh0 »

Vinnl wrote: post #112
robertwalsh0 wrote: post #102

Making academic journals more accessible is a problem that I’ve been working on the last few years with my project, Scholastica. We provide software that allows journals to manage their entire toolchain from peer-review to publication. Homepage https://www.scholasticahq.com Two journals that use our software: https://www.surveypractice.org (OA journal published by American Association for Public Opinion Research) htt…

Heh, I mentioned you above :) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18921700

Thanks, I really appreciate it :D
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