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Re: The creeping IT apocalypse

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Post by thisisit »

klodolph wrote: post #83
sharemywin wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is most companies want someone with 3-5 years of experience in that new skill set. So, unless you jump on that particular band wagon early you're out of luck.

In my experience, companies say 3-5 years but this requirement is written by someone in HR translating what the hiring manager said. The hiring manager is more likely to hire someone who has less than 3-5 years of experience, or even hire someone with zero experience, as long as the candidate demonstrates aptitude. The trick is to write your resume so it gets past HR's filter, but without putting bullshit on it. It's…

> The trick is to write your resume so it gets past HR's filter

Any tips on how to do that?

Re: The creeping IT apocalypse

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Post by dleslie »

munin wrote: post #5

This kind of change has also impacted me. It shows up when I'm trying to give students advice about starting their careers, and I realize that the first jobs I had (system administrator, SOC worker) have been replaced by robots. Especially in the SOC, I was a "Tier 1" analyst that would do monitoring (watching a bank of green lights waiting for one to turn red) and first level triage and analysis. This has been repla…

What you're describing is _training_; and the act of training employees has long since gone out of vogue in western markets.

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Post by coldtea »

sandworm101 wrote: post #89
zelon88 wrote: post #68

I keep seeing thse kinds of articles where the author has drank the Cloud kool-aid themselves, forgotten how to function without it, and insists that it's impossible to function without it. This guy even drags manufacturing into the mix, and obviously has no idea about manufacturing in the United States. Manufacturers in the USA don't make cheap coffee cups. We don't make underwear. We don't make car fenders. We make…

>> Nobody here is making the 100,000,000 wrenches you can buy at Wal-Mart. There are still people making nails in the US. Fertilizer. Food gets exported. Then there is all the stuff to too expensive to ship. Lumber, aluminum sheeting, cement ... lots of non-precision stuff is still made locally. Not every US factory makes munitions. And some stuff is made locally not because of 'better' manufacturing ability but for…

>And some stuff is made locally not because of 'better' manufacturing ability but for speed. The fashion industry has to react quickly, quicker than overseas shipping can manage.

Almost everything in the fashion industry is made in Asia.

And few consumer goods (if anything) are "too expensive to ship".

>I just ordered a small electronics assembly from a Canadian manufacturer not because they are the most skilled or precise but because they can chat with me on the phone and ship a small-run (5) faster than any Asian manufacturer

Yes, but for anything at scale, they wont be the most competitive option.

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Post by F_J_H »

dleslie wrote: post #120
F_J_H wrote: post #118

A point that often gets missed with "low-code" tools, is that it's not so much that they enable "non-coders" to build applications, but that they enable experienced developers to go so much faster. I've been using a fullstack low code development tool for several years now, and when it comes to developing CRUD apps or data reporting apps (with charts, interactive, drill down reports, etc. etc.), it's astonishing how…

Which tool?

I hesitate to say it on HN as everyone seems to hate Oracle (and for good reason), but the tool is Oracle Application Express. (https://apex.oracle.com/en/)

In my earlier consulting role, and now as a CDO, it's my go-to tool for CRUD and data presentation apps.

(I don't work for Oracle.)

Re: The creeping IT apocalypse

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Post by coldtea »

kypro wrote: post #90
strikelaserclaw wrote: post #32

I think for most mid level guys the threat isn't AI doing their job. I think its the influx of people who will undoubtedly join the "coding" workforce once automation takes away many trivial jobs like driving trucks, cabs, or flipping hamburgers at McDonalds. All these people will be told to retrain themselves and go into the tech sector, and we'll get a huge influx of cheap tech people.

I don't know if you know any working class people, but a lot of them simply don't have the intellectual capacity for tech work - which is often why they flip burgers.

You'd be surprised.

A huge number of "tech workers" today are from the same families that would be working class, factory workers, and so on just a generation ago.

There's no magical racial difference between working class people and tech workers.

Re: The creeping IT apocalypse

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

arethuza wrote: post #49
whorleater wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many solid universities still have IT programs? At UIUC as of 2016, the IT program was nonexistent.

What do you mean by an "IT program"?

My community college has two different departments: CIS and CIT. CIS is more akin to "computer science", and heavily covers various programming languages and has a game development sub-program. CIT includes hardware troubleshooting and repair, certification classes for Microsoft, Cisco, and VMware, network administration, and has a subprogram in cybersecurity. Much like in the business world, academics now do treat development and IT as two separate fields.

Re: The creeping IT apocalypse

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Post by kamarg »

kypro wrote: post #90
strikelaserclaw wrote: post #32

I think for most mid level guys the threat isn't AI doing their job. I think its the influx of people who will undoubtedly join the "coding" workforce once automation takes away many trivial jobs like driving trucks, cabs, or flipping hamburgers at McDonalds. All these people will be told to retrain themselves and go into the tech sector, and we'll get a huge influx of cheap tech people.

I don't know if you know any working class people, but a lot of them simply don't have the intellectual capacity for tech work - which is often why they flip burgers.

And a lot of them also just didn't have the opportunity to learn it but are easily smart enough to pick it up when their ability to make a living depends on it.

Let's say 10% of these working class people just need a push to discover they're actually decent at coding/devops/admin/etc. 3,500,000 truck drivers means an additional 350,000 people competing for IT jobs. Now factor in all the other people employed in these sorts of jobs. There's going to be a huge glut of incoming "cheap" labor when these sectors become more automated. I don't expect them to be competing with people like Linus but they're sure as hell going to be competing with the neighbors kid that went to a public 4 year school for a CS degree because the job prospects were good.

Re: The creeping IT apocalypse

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Post by wvenable »

F_J_H wrote: post #118

A point that often gets missed with "low-code" tools, is that it's not so much that they enable "non-coders" to build applications, but that they enable experienced developers to go so much faster. I've been using a fullstack low code development tool for several years now, and when it comes to developing CRUD apps or data reporting apps (with charts, interactive, drill down reports, etc. etc.), it's astonishing how…

I'm doing amazingly more involved things much faster now than 20 years ago. However, user demands and expectations are higher than ever.

Re: The creeping IT apocalypse

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Post by Spooky23 »

We've been through this before. It was called Windows NT. The democratized tools were Access and Lotus Notes. Amazon is doing this for the same reason Microsoft did -- it's revenue by a thousand cuts. People spent $5,000 in 1995 to give diesel mechanics PCs so they could update work orders -- they will do the same for little apps.

The reality is, you're going to have a million monkeys hitting a million keyboards, and very few will be producing Shakespeare. All of that crap will be consuming lots and lots of AWS/Azure/etc bill.

You'll need way more IT people to rationalize it. There are tens of thousands of people in the United States whose purpose for the last decade has been re-implementing the 90s version of this in formal IT systems. You will have churn as we purge the legacy staff, especially windows click to admin types.

Re: The creeping IT apocalypse

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Post by mac01021 »

dleslie wrote: post #122
munin wrote: post #5

This kind of change has also impacted me. It shows up when I'm trying to give students advice about starting their careers, and I realize that the first jobs I had (system administrator, SOC worker) have been replaced by robots. Especially in the SOC, I was a "Tier 1" analyst that would do monitoring (watching a bank of green lights waiting for one to turn red) and first level triage and analysis. This has been repla…

What you're describing is _training_; and the act of training employees has long since gone out of vogue in western markets.

Why train employees when you can pay just a little bit more and get pretrained ones?
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