Live data from Hacker News

'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

freep.com

211–220 of 284 posts

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

#211
post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it have to be a Ford? What about something like the Chevy Colorado?

Also, the redesigned Ford Ranger, similar in size to the Colorado, is now available.

Today’s Ranger and Colorado are about the size that the F-150 and Silverado we’re back in the 90s. The obesity epidemic has hit trucks pretty hard.

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

#212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trailers are a huge pain in the ass, have you ever backed up with one? I've done my fair share of trailer towing and given the choice between a trailer and a pickup, I chose the pickup every time. Trailers have a capacity advantage though. Sometimes the shit you're moving simply won't fit in a large pickup truck. In those cases though, having a truck with sufficient power to tow that trailer is still handy...

This is an advantage of driving tractors as a child. Backing up a trailer is second nature for me. I can back around corners, between obstacles, whatever needs to be done, often without taking a hitch. One time I was driving a U-haul pulling a car on a dolly, so there wasn't one but two pivot points. I stupidly pulled into a gas station that didn't have a way to pull through, but I was still able to back out of it ra…

Every year when I was a kid I got the 'privilege' of driving around a leaf vacuum (https://woodgears.ca/misc/with_trailer.jpg) Unloading it always meant backing it up down a path in the woods to the leaf pile. I can back up a regular two-wheel trailer without jack-knifing it, but even with experience it still takes my full concentration. I'm sure it becomes like riding a bike eventually, but it's annoying enough that I don't really care to attempt it frequently.

My main point though is mass market trailer rental to the general public will probably never be very popular. Most people have never attempted to back up a trailer before and at least the first few times they attempt it the chance they'll jackknife it is pretty high.

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

#213
post #181
post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The pickup truck isn't a work vehicle? Wow do we live in different worlds.

He's exaggerating, but there are countless pickups on the road that have never towed a trailer, driven off pavement, or hauled a load of dirt.

Is that really as common as people make it out to be? It's rare I see a pick-up with a pristine receiver or bed where I am. sure there's the occasional "show truck" with 6" lift and 40" tires, but those aren't common.

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

#214
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like light trucks because they are for people who plow snow, carry bricks, lumber, cinder blocks, lawn mowing equipment, hogs, chickens, bails of hay, etc. in all weather over all roads and even no roads. E.g., there is good ground clearance for charging through snow, over rough ground, jumping curbs, etc. The suspensions are stiff, rugged, and long lasting, can take bad bumps and keep going with no damage. The lig…

Sounds good. Where can I get one? Even the new Ford Ranger is a massive truck, not one I would consider light, and the half tons are even worse. The truck beds are so high I have trouble reaching inside and I'm over six feet tall. And sure, the base cost of a F150 is theoretically under $30k, but good luck finding one of those on the lot, the real starting cost appears to be about $50k and chock full of those luxury…

Blame the chicken tax. There are tons of really good light trucks on the European and Japanese markets, but they get stuck with a 25% import duty if you bring them into the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

#215
post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's exaggerating, but there are countless pickups on the road that have never towed a trailer, driven off pavement, or hauled a load of dirt.

Is that really as common as people make it out to be? It's rare I see a pick-up with a pristine receiver or bed where I am. sure there's the occasional "show truck" with 6" lift and 40" tires, but those aren't common.

It's probably really regional. Totally anecdotal but for example most shiny "show trucks" I see running around seem to sport TX plates, while WY plates seem to adorn late model trucks that have been used hard.

It seems like the prime habitat for "status" trucks would be areas with strong rural blue collar background, but plenty of wealth flowing today. Cultural significance combined with the wealth to afford $70k trucks.

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

#216
post #3

They're going to make all-electric (and hybrid) options. What the headline first made me think was that the whole lineup would be all (=only) electric.

I strongly suspect it’s intentional, to get more clicks. I find it annoying and wish there were a way to push back.

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

#217
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's one way to think about it, for example- is your laptop battery thermally managed, with its own heating & cooling system to keep it at ideal temperature? Chevy Bolt's is.

"Bolt" would be the logical name for a hypothetical Chevy electric truck.

There is already a Chevy Bolt, in case you had not heard.

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

#218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the pickup isn't a work vehicle. It is a statement, a bit of fashion. That's where the market is. People want to look like they need a pickup. In reality, they would be better served by a minivan. They are why every truck has back seats. A more honest answer is probably to get the smallish SUV and buy a trailer. An 8'x4' metal trailer, with full wheels, will let you haul the wood/stuff those few times a year…

I understand your point but the pickup does have utility over the minivan because the bed is walled and outside the cabin. I own a minivan, though, and agree it’s extremely useful, and similarly to the earlier comment asking for a more utilitarian pickup, I wouldn’t mind more utilitarian vans instead of the parent-friendly trends towards safety and nice back seats at a higher price point.

>the bed is walled and outside the cabin That is the times where a trailer come in handy. Driving a big pickup every day because you need the bed once a month is only a fashion statement telling the world "I don't care about the environment". Even most hatchback can town a decent sized trailer

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

#219
post #204
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, this is still momentous news. As with targeting gas-guzzlers twenty years ago, it's not eco-sexy like a 100MPG Prius, but the F-150 model probably produces more carbon dioxide than any other passenger vehicle in the US, maybe in the world.

>it's not eco-sexy like a 100MPG Prius Oh HN.

Oh honey.

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

#220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the pickup isn't a work vehicle. It is a statement, a bit of fashion. That's where the market is. People want to look like they need a pickup. In reality, they would be better served by a minivan. They are why every truck has back seats. A more honest answer is probably to get the smallish SUV and buy a trailer. An 8'x4' metal trailer, with full wheels, will let you haul the wood/stuff those few times a year…

Good grief the bed heights are ridiculous now. Forget about reaching over the side and grabbing something without having to climb in: and I'm 6' tall! I've mastered this maneuver where I jump up and land with my stomach over the edge of the bed. It's uncomfortable but I can actually reach something. My father is three inches taller than I am, but it was still something of a revelation for him a couple of weeks ago wh…

> Ford Transit Connects

That vehicle, and others like it, is the standard work vehicle for European people with equipment to move. Pickups are very rare.

"Transit" is almost a generic word for any van in the UK since the middle sized one is so common. "White van man" is derogatory, usually used when there's one illegally parked or driving carelessly.

Anyway, the method is well tested.

Post reply on HN