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'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

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Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

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Post by saosebastiao »

ghettoimp wrote: post #27
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I look forward to it. My F150 gets between 19mpg and 13mpg depending on the gas and the temperature(!) I'd love to spend less than $90 at the pump

Do you need a truck? (If so that's just fine. But I'm in Texas, and I'm pretty sure most of these folks could get by on something smaller...)

I also tend toward the thought that most truck drivers don't need trucks. But people don't buy vehicles based on their median driving behavior, they buy them based on their ability to handle common but not daily needs. I'd venture to guess that most texans with pickups use their truck bed far more often than californians use their back seats.

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

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Post by jimjimjim »

msla wrote: post #10
jdhn wrote: post #7

I honestly think that this will help make electric vehicles more mainstream. People here in the US love their F-150's, and if Ford could make die hard truck fans switch from a V8 to a TTV6, then they're the ones that can convince the same fans consider buying a hybrid or electric F-150.

And I think the cultural problems will scuttle the whole thing. https://jalopnik.com/bro-truck-owners-are-deliberately-block... > Bro-Truck Owners Are Deliberately Blocking Tesla Supercharger Spots > I generally like people, which may be why I never fail to be surprised when I encounter people being truly unrepentant dickheads for no good reason whatsoever. That’s what seems to have been going down at a Tesla Superch…

The Rolling Coal troglodytes are an example of this mentality.

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

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Post by artificialidiot »

Rivian is the much needed kick in the nuts. When it turn out to be a viable truck and not just vaporware with lofty promises, people took note. I am by no means a truck or suv type guy but the idea of full electric one is very intriguing, if only I had the space. I can imagine the allure of great low end torque, improved storage capacity and the fuel savings for the more leisurely drivers, who don't need to tow 10 tons or haul 1-2 tons which is frankly not the case for the vast majority of the people in my experience.

People keep saying lithium batteries loose capacity and stuff but less energy dense chemistries than the one in your mobile phone fare better in an automotive setting.

Big automotive companies had all the time in the world to come up with the tech of the future but they squandered the opportunity. Upstarts seem to be poised to eat their cake.

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

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Post by newnewpdro »

zepearl wrote: post #43
ProfessorLayton wrote: post #14

This is a big deal. The F-Series is the single most popular vehicle in the US, and nearly 900K of them are sold every year! In fact, the top 3 models in the US are F-Series, Silverado, and Ram, so the environment will definitely appreciate the electrified competition the F-Series will force.

>>...the environment will definitely appreciate the electrified... Nobody is concerned about the countries (e.g. Bolivia) involved to extract the materials needed for the batteries => this might kill them (on one hand I agree saying "they should be able to care for themselves", but on the other hand there are gigantic interests at play which will put huge pressure on their governments/politicians) => whoever buys a b…

Any transition on this scale is going to have casualties, it's pretty much moot.

If you have a less harmful solution than EVs to transitioning to fossil-fuel-free transportation I hear it's quite a lucrative opportunity.

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

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Post by MisterOctober »

azhenley wrote: post #38
ghettoimp wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you need a truck? (If so that's just fine. But I'm in Texas, and I'm pretty sure most of these folks could get by on something smaller...)

Not the OP, but I've recently had several similar discussions with friends/family about trucks when I bought my Tesla. I live in Tennessee, a popular truck area. They claimed to like trucks for the convenience. Being able to throw stuff in the back and not have to think about whether it will fit in a car. While I do understand this advantage, it would only help me 2-3 times a year, and I aim to optimize for the 95% o…

I disliked pickup trucks for their size and fuel consumption until I owned a house and got heavily into gardening. Home maintenance and significant garden activity are made waaaaay easier by having a truck [or big van, I guess] available.

That said, I still don't personally own a truck, borrowing them as needed. An all-electric model of good quality would be pretty tempting to me.

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

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Post by Multicomp »

cowmix wrote: post #45
anewguy9000 wrote: post #11

so after 5 years the battery in my laptop is just toast. can anyone comment on what happens to an electric car after 5 years? 10, 20? i have a truck with 350,000 kms on it. will this still be possible?

My 2013 Volt has 85K EV miles (100K total).. Zero battery degradation.

I'm glad for you, but 100k is like the starting point for 'how long a car can last' at least here in Atlanta GA. "Junky" cars manage to die at 100-150k, good cars get 150-200, and 200+ is preferred. 350k is a very different number than 85k.

Alternate example: NYC Taxicabs used to be that Crown Victoria, and each vehicle could get upwards of 400-500k before being replaced. Will the Ford Escape EV replacement also get there? I don't know, the jury is out.

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

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Post by Rapzid »

ghettoimp wrote: post #27
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I look forward to it. My F150 gets between 19mpg and 13mpg depending on the gas and the temperature(!) I'd love to spend less than $90 at the pump

Do you need a truck? (If so that's just fine. But I'm in Texas, and I'm pretty sure most of these folks could get by on something smaller...)

In Texas, can confirm. It's also crazy how much they spend on them. Pretty much a second mortgage for a lot of people based on income..

Can fit a lot in my hatchback and would just do what they do in New Zealand on the odd occasion I need more; rent a truck or van for the day.

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

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Post by sjwright »

ip26 wrote: post #47
ProfessorLayton wrote: post #14

This is a big deal. The F-Series is the single most popular vehicle in the US, and nearly 900K of them are sold every year! In fact, the top 3 models in the US are F-Series, Silverado, and Ram, so the environment will definitely appreciate the electrified competition the F-Series will force.

... Although now I'm reminded of the bit I read recently that noted in thirty minutes a two-stroke leaf blower emits as much CO & NOx pollution as driving an F-150 3,800 miles. https://www.citylab.com/life/2016/11/the-case-against-neighb...

Possibly, as two stroke burns oil intentionally. But the actual volume of carbon dioxide emissions is a function of the volume of fuel consumed. A small handheld tool won’t use much fuel compared to the (napkin math) 500 liters of petroleum in the vehicle.

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

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Post by kstrauser »

saosebastiao wrote: post #51
ghettoimp wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you need a truck? (If so that's just fine. But I'm in Texas, and I'm pretty sure most of these folks could get by on something smaller...)

I also tend toward the thought that most truck drivers don't need trucks. But people don't buy vehicles based on their median driving behavior, they buy them based on their ability to handle common but not daily needs. I'd venture to guess that most texans with pickups use their truck bed far more often than californians use their back seats.

I use my back seats all the time. Where do you think we put our Whole Foods bags?

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

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Post by strommen »

justinph wrote: post #4

I'd love to see them try. The difficulty of making a pickup truck aerodynamically efficient are substantial.

I don't see this as much of a problem. Drag coefficient on a Dodge Ram is 0.357; on a Prius it's 0.29.

That's less than a 25% penalty on efficiency.

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