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'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

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Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

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This is a big deal. The F-Series is the single most popular vehicle in the US, and nearly 900K of them are sold every year! In fact, the top 3 models in the US are F-Series, Silverado, and Ram, so the environment will definitely appreciate the electrified competition the F-Series will force.

>>...the environment will definitely appreciate the electrified...

Nobody is concerned about the countries (e.g. Bolivia) involved to extract the materials needed for the batteries => this might kill them (on one hand I agree saying "they should be able to care for themselves", but on the other hand there are gigantic interests at play which will put huge pressure on their governments/politicians) => whoever buys a battery nowadays should think twice about its environmentally-friendliness?

Ideally, we don't want to re-play the oil-wars, in a different theatre? Hopefully not?

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

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They're going to make all-electric (and hybrid) options. What the headline first made me think was that the whole lineup would be all (=only) electric.

I was thinking the same thing. There isn't enough power generation capacity in the US to support something like that.

Wrong. For the energy it takes to refine 1 gal of gas you can drive an EV around 27 miles.

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

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so after 5 years the battery in my laptop is just toast. can anyone comment on what happens to an electric car after 5 years? 10, 20? i have a truck with 350,000 kms on it. will this still be possible?

My 2013 Volt has 85K EV miles (100K total).. Zero battery degradation.

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

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They're going to make all-electric (and hybrid) options. What the headline first made me think was that the whole lineup would be all (=only) electric.

yeah, "we're going to make the F-series all electric" and "we're going to make an all-electric F-series truck" are very different headlines.

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

#47

This is a big deal. The F-Series is the single most popular vehicle in the US, and nearly 900K of them are sold every year! In fact, the top 3 models in the US are F-Series, Silverado, and Ram, so the environment will definitely appreciate the electrified competition the F-Series will force.

... Although now I'm reminded of the bit I read recently that noted in thirty minutes a two-stroke leaf blower emits as much CO & NOx pollution as driving an F-150 3,800 miles.

https://www.citylab.com/life/2016/11/the-case-against-neighb...

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

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I honestly think that this will help make electric vehicles more mainstream. People here in the US love their F-150's, and if Ford could make die hard truck fans switch from a V8 to a TTV6, then they're the ones that can convince the same fans consider buying a hybrid or electric F-150.

The aluminum chassis, too. Lot of tough truck guys were sure that was a terrible idea.

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

#49

so after 5 years the battery in my laptop is just toast. can anyone comment on what happens to an electric car after 5 years? 10, 20? i have a truck with 350,000 kms on it. will this still be possible?

It all depends on thermal management. Tesla uses liquid cooled active thermal management, and they have less than 10% degradation over 10 years/200k+ miles. Nissan went with passive air cooling for the Leaf, and they are seeing up to 50% degradation in just a few years and less than 50k miles.

Re: 'We're going to electrify the F-Series,' Ford exec says

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so after 5 years the battery in my laptop is just toast. can anyone comment on what happens to an electric car after 5 years? 10, 20? i have a truck with 350,000 kms on it. will this still be possible?

As with every manufactured good, certain things are prioritized. Your small commodity laptop battery was likely made to be cheap and light, but not necessarily built to last a long time. That's like comparing a lawn mower engine and an engine in a car designed to last hundreds of thousands of kilometers. They just weren't designed with the same things in mind. Tesla especially has done a fantastic job with the chemis…

Here's one way to think about it, for example- is your laptop battery thermally managed, with its own heating & cooling system to keep it at ideal temperature? Chevy Bolt's is.
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