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Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commissions will fail (2012)

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Re: Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commissions will fail (2012)

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As a realtor for the past 6 years I can say a couple of quick things as to why I don't see the real estate industry going anywhere, even though I think that real estate brokers are extremely overpaid. - selling your house, at the end of the day, is quite the undertaking. A lot goes into it, it can get emotional, messy, and sometimes quite complicated. Having someone that does it on a daily basis can be nice and reall…

I fail to see how they are overpaid. If someone sells 4 houses per year for 1M for 1.5% fee, that's only $60k per year. That sounds like a mediocre income in markets where houses even go for 1M.

I am using numbers for the Bay Area that I have heard of. Maybe other markets are different.

Re: Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commissions will fail (2012)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Good" real estate agents are interested in moving as many houses as quickly as they can, to gain as much vig revenue as possible. "Good" real estate agents from the buyers perspective would be slowing down sales, reducing the overall price they make a percentage on anyway (which is why fixed rate for a "class" of real estate would work better) as a disincentive. Why would a real estate agent dissuade someone from bu…

and the inspector is financially responsible for exactly the cost of the inspection. No more. I think you've really hit the nail on the head here. There's a built-in conflict of interest for the agent in every transaction. They are rewarded by moving inventory, not serving their client.

> and the inspector is financially responsible for exactly the > cost of the inspection. > No more.

And gets more business the more time he stamps yes for the realtor.

(also true of the broker and appraiser)

Re: Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commissions will fail (2012)

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Don’t you pay TurboTax? A virtual tax accountant is still a tax accountant. If someone makes a virtual real estate agent to replace real ones, I don’t doubt they’ll still charge a fee.

> Don’t you pay TurboTax? Yes, but the cost is significantly less. When I first moved to the US I used a tax accountant because I didn't know any better and it cost me ~$500 a year (this was in New York). I now file using either TurboTax or TaxAct and my costs are typically in the $60-70 range depending on which tier of service I select. Is it more work? Arguably yes, but I enjoy the freedom of being able to do it al…

Or you can get the worst of both worlds (looking at you H+R Block), where you pay accountant prices for someone to walk through what is essentially a customized version of something like Turbo Tax.

When I moved to the US I used them, once. I had just arrived, was working from home, had bought a hybrid vehicle, my spouse was a student.

I/we literally sat there with someone entirely clueless as she read questions off a screen.

"Okay, for Item X, how much do you want to claim?"

"What can I claim?"

"What do you mean?"

"As in, what is claimable, what isn't?"

"I'm not sure."

"So why am I paying you to prepare my taxes?"

Re: Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commissions will fail (2012)

#135

As a realtor for the past 6 years I can say a couple of quick things as to why I don't see the real estate industry going anywhere, even though I think that real estate brokers are extremely overpaid. - selling your house, at the end of the day, is quite the undertaking. A lot goes into it, it can get emotional, messy, and sometimes quite complicated. Having someone that does it on a daily basis can be nice and reall…

I fail to see how they are overpaid. If someone sells 4 houses per year for 1M for 1.5% fee, that's only $60k per year. That sounds like a mediocre income in markets where houses even go for 1M. I am using numbers for the Bay Area that I have heard of. Maybe other markets are different.

The going rate is 2.5% to both the selling agent and the buying agent, each.

Re: Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commissions will fail (2012)

#136
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Is there a reason you didn't do the deal without an agent and specify in your offer that you wanted the entire 3 points rebated back to you (which is kind of silly accounting, but whatever)? Certainly this would have been possible.

The contract that I signed to sell another property specified that the full commission was due from the seller regardless of buyer representation , but that any registered real estate agent working on behalf of the buyer would share equally in the commission, paid by the listing agency. IOW, I don't think it would have been possible, as it wouldn't have been possible in my listing contract. If I thought it was possib…

> The contract that I signed to sell another property specified that the full commission was due from the seller regardless of buyer representation, but that any registered real estate agent working on behalf of the buyer would share equally in the commission, paid by the listing agency.

Not anti-competitive, at all...

Re: Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commissions will fail (2012)

#137

As a realtor for the past 6 years I can say a couple of quick things as to why I don't see the real estate industry going anywhere, even though I think that real estate brokers are extremely overpaid. - selling your house, at the end of the day, is quite the undertaking. A lot goes into it, it can get emotional, messy, and sometimes quite complicated. Having someone that does it on a daily basis can be nice and reall…

I fail to see how they are overpaid. If someone sells 4 houses per year for 1M for 1.5% fee, that's only $60k per year. That sounds like a mediocre income in markets where houses even go for 1M. I am using numbers for the Bay Area that I have heard of. Maybe other markets are different.

All of the full time real estate agents I know sell WAY more than 4 hours per year.

Re: Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commissions will fail (2012)

#138

As a realtor for the past 6 years I can say a couple of quick things as to why I don't see the real estate industry going anywhere, even though I think that real estate brokers are extremely overpaid. - selling your house, at the end of the day, is quite the undertaking. A lot goes into it, it can get emotional, messy, and sometimes quite complicated. Having someone that does it on a daily basis can be nice and reall…

I fail to see how they are overpaid. If someone sells 4 houses per year for 1M for 1.5% fee, that's only $60k per year. That sounds like a mediocre income in markets where houses even go for 1M. I am using numbers for the Bay Area that I have heard of. Maybe other markets are different.

What realtors are you using that only charge 1.5%? It was 3% each to the seller's and buyer's agent last time I moved.

They do end up not being too rich on an annual pay basis where I live because the number of realtors actively working adjusts to the volume and pricing.

Re: Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commissions will fail (2012)

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> "That being said, the National Association of Realtors (NAR) and their local branches are the definition of a cartel." NAR was actually investigated by the federal government (FTC i think? ), who concluded much the same, but lobbying buried the report and nothing came of it. MLS's maintain power by strictly controlling access to information. they have the most up-to-date and the most detailed information about prop…

Part of the problem is that most realtors want it that way. I live in Austin, and the push for a few years now has been to have a "silent market" where a buyer picks a "full service" realtor (AKA full commission), and gets a week or so jump on properties being listed in the MLS. This gives them a better chance to get the property before the MLS hordes descend and start bidding it up. The part I've never understood is…

> "Part of the problem is that most realtors want it that way."

absolutely. the cartel doesn't help the top 2% of agents, because they're good enough to earn the 6% (or higher) anyway, but the monopoly works because the overwhelming majority of interested stakeholders benefit.

(that's not to imply that most agents are lazy though. a stat i dimly recall is that only about 10% of agents make enough to be full time.)

Re: Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commissions will fail (2012)

#140

6 years old thread. Low end commodity RE commissions will be chipped at, but higher end you want an expert. Buying a million dollar house without an expert is fool money gone.

In SV, million dollar house is a low end now...
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