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Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commissions will fail (2012)

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Re: Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commissions will fail (2012)

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I see at least three counterpoints: 1. Real estate agents aren't often "experts" at real estate valuation, inspection or execution; They have dependencies on appraisers, inspectors, and lawyers. The work an average agent does is more or less cookie-cutter from my anecdotal experience, though I think there is a proportion of rockstar agents that do much more. 2. Not every buyer wants homebuying to be a client-services…

"Good" real estate agents are interested in moving as many houses as quickly as they can, to gain as much vig revenue as possible. "Good" real estate agents from the buyers perspective would be slowing down sales, reducing the overall price they make a percentage on anyway (which is why fixed rate for a "class" of real estate would work better) as a disincentive. Why would a real estate agent dissuade someone from bu…

They might know the house will not appraise for what they're trying to buy it at, so it'd be a non-starter without additional substantial down payment that they might not have. there's non-permitted additions, construction is suspect, insurance will be crazy due to proximity to ocean bluff, etc.

Re: Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commissions will fail (2012)

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post #24

This article is from 2012.

+1 - has anyone successfully proved him right/wrong since?

I'm not familiar with landscape in Australia but there's two most popular websites not owned by real estate companies: realestate.com.au and domain.com.au (both owned by competing media companies!)

Re: Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commissions will fail (2012)

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post #24

This article is from 2012.

+1 - has anyone successfully proved him right/wrong since?

Not quite answering your question, but a16z had a recent video talking about startups trying to disrupt commissions: https://youtu.be/IRPH3K1GXj0

Re: Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commissions will fail (2012)

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post #52

Over the last two years I've bought a couple of properties and I see the value of realtors as professional negotiators and experts on real estate laws and contracts. That being said, the National Association of Realtors (NAR) and their local branches are the definition of a cartel. My parents owned a real estate agency when I was growing up in the 80s and 90s. Back then, the cost of selling and marketing real estate…

Fee rebates have become really common as well in my experience.

How do you find that?

Re: Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commissions will fail (2012)

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I've used buyers agents (1 traditional, 1 Redfin) when I've bought homes since they are being paid from the Seller's Fees and in most states I believe they are legally bound to act in your best interest. I've had a new construction seller try to convince me to not get an agent and would give a discount instead but felt that the risk wasn't worth it especially since most buyers agents I've engaged with have been open…

Some builders have their in office agent, depending on the state, that agent will represent both sides of the transaction in that case, so you aren't saving any money by not having an agent.

Re: Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commissions will fail (2012)

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post #52

Over the last two years I've bought a couple of properties and I see the value of realtors as professional negotiators and experts on real estate laws and contracts. That being said, the National Association of Realtors (NAR) and their local branches are the definition of a cartel. My parents owned a real estate agency when I was growing up in the 80s and 90s. Back then, the cost of selling and marketing real estate…

Fee rebates have become really common as well in my experience.

Yeah, what are you taking about?

Re: Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commissions will fail (2012)

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Frankly, if you're worried about 3% on the purchase price of the house, you can't afford that house, regardless of the amount of money. Particularly in expensive markets in the Bay Area, the real estate agent is there to tell you when you're being stupid - unrealistic with your demands (under or _over_ paying) and keeping you from stomping away in a huff during the stressful negotiations. This is buying and selling t…

I think this is pretty misguided. 3% of $100,000 is $3,000. Many housing purchases will be more than that, but let's just talk over $3k. Some people will be very comfortable with dealing with negotiations, pricing their house (the quasi-ethical can even talk to a few realtors before hand to get their opinion), and doing the paper legwork. Just because someone chooses to use their time and effort rather than forking o…

When you're buying, a realtor will never tell you that you are overpaying -- it would be less commission for them and greater chance the seller will reject or counter the offer which creates more work for them.

When you're selling, they will always tell you that you are priced too high. They want a quick sale with minimal work.

I've used realtors on the buy and sell side of the first house I owned. I was disappointed both times in that they seemed to do almost nothing except show up at the closing for their take.

I've bought and sold two other homes FSBO since then, and the process was much easier.

Re: Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commissions will fail (2012)

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I see at least three counterpoints: 1. Real estate agents aren't often "experts" at real estate valuation, inspection or execution; They have dependencies on appraisers, inspectors, and lawyers. The work an average agent does is more or less cookie-cutter from my anecdotal experience, though I think there is a proportion of rockstar agents that do much more. 2. Not every buyer wants homebuying to be a client-services…

The listing agent should have expertise in the valuation for the ask price. I don't think appraisers are generally involved. Appraisers are primarily working for the mortgage company. My last 4 appraisals have been within a couple thousand of the purchase price.

Re: Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commissions will fail (2012)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other thing you should absolutely never do, as a buyer, is use a home inspector recommended by either the seller's agent, the seller themselves, or even your own buyers agent. Choose one yourself. Anything else and they have too much of an incentive to produce an inspection report that will result in a quickly closed sale.

Seems like they would open themselves up to some sort of liability if that happens.

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