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Re: Fasting can improve overall health

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Post by cde-v » Wed, Jan 16, 2019, 8:25 PM UTC

tdburn wrote: post #18

stuzenz wrote: post #15

This might interest some of you - it is a documentary on the same topic - where a doctor goes ahead and explores intermittent fasting for longevity / reducing aging issues. He ends up trying it and becoming a convert. https://vimeo.com/170735109 This doctor (Dr Berg) also has a channel on the same - and provides some interesting easy to understand scientific explanations on different intermittent fasting related item…

A little more info on Dr Berg: he's a chiropractor doctor not a medically trained doctor. He has a lot of good information, but it's also wise to verify any of his info from other sources.

It's wise just to disregard anything and everything he says.

Re: Fasting can improve overall health

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Post by olyjohn » Wed, Jan 16, 2019, 8:27 PM UTC

nonbel wrote: post #10

sg47 wrote: post #8

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Did it affect your sleep? I find that being hungry at night affects my sleep significantly.

The thing with fasting/low-carb is that once you are adapted it takes quite a bit more to "feel hungry". In fact the feeling is qualitatively different. I eventually tried the low-carb (actual low-carb of It was like the scales fell from my eyes when I realized that much of what I thought was "hunger" my whole life was actually "addictive cravings" for carbohydrates. And I was really not a fan of grains and sugary st…

There was a really good episode of "Explained" on Netflix that talked about diets. They took a study group, and gave half of them low-carb, and the other half a low-fat diet.

Both groups lost weight equally. They didn't lose weight because of that particular diet, they lost weight because they made better decisions daily, stopped eating out, and stopped buying processed foods.

Re: Fasting can improve overall health

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Post by nonbel » Wed, Jan 16, 2019, 8:33 PM UTC

olyjohn wrote: post #22

nonbel wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing with fasting/low-carb is that once you are adapted it takes quite a bit more to "feel hungry". In fact the feeling is qualitatively different. I eventually tried the low-carb (actual low-carb of It was like the scales fell from my eyes when I realized that much of what I thought was "hunger" my whole life was actually "addictive cravings" for carbohydrates. And I was really not a fan of grains and sugary st…

There was a really good episode of "Explained" on Netflix that talked about diets. They took a study group, and gave half of them low-carb, and the other half a low-fat diet. Both groups lost weight equally. They didn't lose weight because of that particular diet, they lost weight because they made better decisions daily, stopped eating out, and stopped buying processed foods.

Just cancelled my netflix this morning when I heard about another rate hike (also hadn't been using it much recently). Can you share what they meant by "low carb", how long the study ran for, and how much weight was lost?

Because I can tell you one thing for sure, the reason I lost weight (and I was only slightly overweight) is because I ate less. And I ate less because I craved less food.

I'm open to the idea this is due to more home cooking rather than low carb per se but I doubt it... I could possibly test this by eating some noodles or homemade pizza or something.

Re: Fasting can improve overall health

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Post by nsxwolf » Wed, Jan 16, 2019, 8:34 PM UTC

olyjohn wrote: post #22

nonbel wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing with fasting/low-carb is that once you are adapted it takes quite a bit more to "feel hungry". In fact the feeling is qualitatively different. I eventually tried the low-carb (actual low-carb of It was like the scales fell from my eyes when I realized that much of what I thought was "hunger" my whole life was actually "addictive cravings" for carbohydrates. And I was really not a fan of grains and sugary st…

There was a really good episode of "Explained" on Netflix that talked about diets. They took a study group, and gave half of them low-carb, and the other half a low-fat diet. Both groups lost weight equally. They didn't lose weight because of that particular diet, they lost weight because they made better decisions daily, stopped eating out, and stopped buying processed foods.

What did the study consider to be "low-carb"?

Re: Fasting can improve overall health

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Post by giardini » Wed, Jan 16, 2019, 8:46 PM UTC

stuzenz wrote: post #15

This might interest some of you - it is a documentary on the same topic - where a doctor goes ahead and explores intermittent fasting for longevity / reducing aging issues. He ends up trying it and becoming a convert. https://vimeo.com/170735109 This doctor (Dr Berg) also has a channel on the same - and provides some interesting easy to understand scientific explanations on different intermittent fasting related item…

This doctor, Dr. Mirkin, is an MD, a sports physiologist and an active athlete. He has long been an advocate of intermittent fasting but recommends against long fasting. He documents all of his articles with the relevant references and sources:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=intermittent+fasting+site%3Adrmirk...

Re: Fasting can improve overall health

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Post by Jach » Wed, Jan 16, 2019, 8:49 PM UTC

tdburn wrote: post #19

krat0sprakhar wrote: post #3

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And for only 24 hours of fasting. I wish we could get more scientific literature on the 16:8 fasting cycle.

Now that the 16:8 fasting method is becoming more popular, more research is being done specifically for that regimine.

On more than mice? I'm pretty sure such research has already been done a lot on mice, I've been hearing about positive intermittent fasting / caloric restriction studies for years (but it's always in mouse models).

Re: Fasting can improve overall health

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Post by alashley » Wed, Jan 16, 2019, 8:52 PM UTC

nonbel wrote: post #10

sg47 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did it affect your sleep? I find that being hungry at night affects my sleep significantly.

The thing with fasting/low-carb is that once you are adapted it takes quite a bit more to "feel hungry". In fact the feeling is qualitatively different. I eventually tried the low-carb (actual low-carb of It was like the scales fell from my eyes when I realized that much of what I thought was "hunger" my whole life was actually "addictive cravings" for carbohydrates. And I was really not a fan of grains and sugary st…

How long did it take you to become adapted?

Re: Fasting can improve overall health

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Post by megaman8 » Wed, Jan 16, 2019, 9:00 PM UTC

beatgammit wrote: post #16

megaman8 wrote: post #14

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I used to think so as well. I was always of the mindset that I had to feel somewhat full to "relax" me so I can go to sleep. I could never seem to fall asleep while hungry. But, I found out, it's actually just a mindset thing. Once I realized that, I found that I could go to bed hungry and still get a great nights sleep. I know it sounds incorrect but sometimes attitude and mindset really can influence outcomes.

That's why the placebo effect works. You can improve quite a lot about your life if you can control your mindset.

But, it's a little more than that for some. Some people are actually able to reduce cortisol in their bodies, regulate temperature, slow the blood pressure and a host of other bodily functions through power of the mind and breathing.

Re: Fasting can improve overall health

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Post by jplayer01 » Wed, Jan 16, 2019, 9:00 PM UTC

porpoisely wrote: post #7

paulcole wrote: post #2

Before anyone breathlessly gushes about their life-changing fasting regime, remember that this study was done on mice.

Not only that, more often than not, it turns out that the original claims turn out to be false or negligible at best. The latest weight fad was intermittent fasting. Turns out it isn't any better than any other weight loss regime. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18537250

The amount of decent studies on actual low-carb diets is near non-existent.

Re: Fasting can improve overall health

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Post by nonbel » Wed, Jan 16, 2019, 9:03 PM UTC

alashley wrote: post #27

nonbel wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing with fasting/low-carb is that once you are adapted it takes quite a bit more to "feel hungry". In fact the feeling is qualitatively different. I eventually tried the low-carb (actual low-carb of It was like the scales fell from my eyes when I realized that much of what I thought was "hunger" my whole life was actually "addictive cravings" for carbohydrates. And I was really not a fan of grains and sugary st…

How long did it take you to become adapted?

What I described happens after a few days, maybe up to a week for me. Right after getting really thirsty and drinking a crapload of water and pissing it out (I presume this is for hydrolyzing glycogen...) for 1-2 days.

Like I said, I already wasn't a big consumer of carbs/sugar to begin with though.