De-Suckafying Apple’s Butterfly Keyboard
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Re: De-Suckafying Apple’s Butterfly Keyboard
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m curious as to what you mean by trolling the thinkpad subreddit. Trolling usually means causing grief, perhaps you meant lurking or browsing?
To troll originally meant to "carefully and systematically search an area for something." Perhaps a bit of an archaic definition nowadays, but older or more literary people would probably understand it's intent in this context.
The word you are thinking of is trawl.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trawl
And the “search thoroughly” meaning for that is current, not archaic.
Re: De-Suckafying Apple’s Butterfly Keyboard
#83I wish this was actually a fix for how shitty their keyboards are instead of what is essentially a fart app. I've taken my 2017 MBP in for three keyboard repairs at this point. Reluctantly spent $5k upgrading to this after the 2014 i7 air wasn't enough for development. It's easily the worst Macbook I've ever owned. The kicker is that repair is no longer what I would consider "trivial", as to install a new keyboard yo…
> I wish this was actually a fix for how shitty their keyboards are instead of what is essentially a fart app
Someone else has actually made a debouncing extension to avoid double-entry of keys with kind-of-sticky-but-not-yet-useless keys https://github.com/aahung/Unshaky
Re: De-Suckafying Apple’s Butterfly Keyboard
#84I see a lot of complaining about this keyboard online but I have yet to meet someone in person that thought it was as terrible as claimed. I love the new MacBook keyboards and Touch Bar but it's possible that I'm a complete outlier.
I have yet to meet someone in person that thought it was as terrible as claimed I haven't met you in person, but I will tell you that it's even worse. I have a supply of cans of compressed air at home to clean out my MacBook Pro's keyboard on a regular basis lest the keys get stuck. I have never had to do this with any of my previous Mac laptops over the past 17 years.
For such purposes i recommend something like this (an air blower for cameras): https://www.amazon.com/Giottos-AA1900-Rocket-Blaster-Large/d...
No need to produce a lot of waste by buying canned air. Unless you pressurise them yourself of course.
Re: De-Suckafying Apple’s Butterfly Keyboard
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can't stand the keyboard, but do like the Touch Bar. Out of FUD, I have keyboard cover on my 2017 MacBook Pro. Similarly thinking, I have been trolling the Thinkpad Subreddit and constantly check the Lenovo Corporate Perks prices with a fully loaded P52 sitting in my cart. Can't pull the trigger. I'm too entrenched and spoiled by the Apple conveniences and ecosystem.
I’m curious as to what you mean by trolling the thinkpad subreddit. Trolling usually means causing grief, perhaps you meant lurking or browsing?
Lurk would be what I actually mean. I cause no harm and never post, only envy in entertaining myself of maybe someday buying one.
Re: De-Suckafying Apple’s Butterfly Keyboard
#86I've owned MBPs for over ten years. But my mid-2015 15" MBP ("peak MBP") is giving out, and I need a replacement. It won't be another MBP, because of the keyboard regressions -- the butterfly keyboard, and the touchbar. Thinking about a System 76 Galago.
> It won't be another MBP, because of the keyboard regressions Have you tried the third generation butterfly on the 2018 MBP and MBA? I hate with a passion the first two attempts at the butterfly keyboard, but the third gen I actually enjoy using.
I have had each model year revision since 2015 Retina Macbook, and it's not so much the keys themselves but the fact that the keys are basically flush with the case which bothers me the most.
Re: De-Suckafying Apple’s Butterfly Keyboard
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
When Apple replaces keyboards, they replace them with the 2018 keyboard (the one with the extra rubber barriers)?
No, they do not. Unfortunately, they are replacing them with the keyboard that your machine came with. Not the 2018 ones that have sort-of fixed the biggest issues.
My question is, after 3 keyboard replacements will the Apple Store simply hand you a new/refurb MBP of similar specs?
Re: De-Suckafying Apple’s Butterfly Keyboard
#88Last year I drank the cool aid and bought a mechanical keyboard. I don't get it. Compared to butterfly they are pretty bad. Extremely long key travel is supposed to be save me from carpal tunnel. I find it quite exhausting. More worrying is the tactile feedback. When a butterfly (or any other chiclet keyboard) clicks, it registers. Not so much on a mechanical, not even the tactile. It is worst on the linear gaming ke…
Unfortunately, you fell for the myth.
Mechanical keyboards might just be worse for RSI etc, because it's hard to rid yourself of the habit of pounding on the keys to bottom them out, which one has to do on a membrane keyboard. Most mechanical (certainly most Cherry) switches actuate before bottoming out, and through some mindfulness, it is possible to train yourself to type sedately, without bottoming out. But it's hard, and not possible to do all the time. The long keytravel is also a literal pain.
The only reason to have a mechanical keyboard is enjoying the key feel, and noise. Typing at the speed of light is way more enjoyable on a keyboard that clacks along happily as you type your tome. If a membrane keyboard does it for you, all the better. Save yourself $$$ on the expensive keyboards and (worse still) expensive keycaps.
Re: De-Suckafying Apple’s Butterfly Keyboard
#89Last year I drank the cool aid and bought a mechanical keyboard. I don't get it. Compared to butterfly they are pretty bad. Extremely long key travel is supposed to be save me from carpal tunnel. I find it quite exhausting. More worrying is the tactile feedback. When a butterfly (or any other chiclet keyboard) clicks, it registers. Not so much on a mechanical, not even the tactile. It is worst on the linear gaming ke…
Because keyboards are a personal preference thing and the nature of mechanical allows for more implementation styles, there are an insane number of types of mechanical keyboards.
Here are the variables:
Actuation Point (Where does the press register)
Linear vs Tactile vs (Tactile + Clicky)
Force (IE how much pressure to push down)
total travel distance.
(There are also some optical switches with adjustable actuation)
>The tactile keyboards have a "click" somewhere, but it is not connected to the actual keypress registraion.
MX Blue actuates at 2mm but clicks somewhere around 1.75mm, Razer's tactile switch on the other hand actuates right on the top of its click/bump. You can also find some that actuate before the click.
>On top of that they are ridiculously tall.
https://kono.store/products/hexgears-x-1-mechanical-keyboard
Basically just google low profile mechanical keyboard switches. mechanical keyboard travel distance goes from around 4mm down to 1.5~mm. And there are all kinds of thin ones.
>It is worst on the linear gaming keyboards, where resting your fingers on the keys can cause them to register.
Cherry MX Red: ~45cN force
Cherry MX Black: ~60cN force
Cherry MX Grey: ~80cN force
There are tons of problems with mechanical keyboards but your problems are not them.
Re: De-Suckafying Apple’s Butterfly Keyboard
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have yet to meet someone in person that thought it was as terrible as claimed I haven't met you in person, but I will tell you that it's even worse. I have a supply of cans of compressed air at home to clean out my MacBook Pro's keyboard on a regular basis lest the keys get stuck. I have never had to do this with any of my previous Mac laptops over the past 17 years.
For such purposes i recommend something like this (an air blower for cameras): https://www.amazon.com/Giottos-AA1900-Rocket-Blaster-Large/d... No need to produce a lot of waste by buying canned air. Unless you pressurise them yourself of course.
That's a good idea. However, I've tried my rocket blower. It generates insufficient air pressure to remove detritus trapped under the keys.