MongoDB removed from RHEL 8 beta due to license
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MongoDB removed from RHEL 8 beta due to license
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Re: MongoDB removed from RHEL 8 beta due to license
#2Anyone surprised?
Of course you can choose a non-free license for your code, but it comes with consequences. One of them is that Linux distributions that value free licenses will no longer act as your distributor.
Re: MongoDB removed from RHEL 8 beta due to license
#3Somewhat orthogonal but I wonder if this is one of those times where people in forums like these can see further ahead than the usual stock market actors can? $MDB seems to be unaffected by this news (and the DocumentDB news as well).
Maybe I've overestimating, but this looks like it will be a blow to accessibility of Mongo -- or maybe it will only be RHEL since they're focused on commercial applications?
[EDIT] - I was incorrect/didn't look closely enough, the DocumentDB annoucement seems to be correlated with a 20%+ dip around January 8th.
Re: MongoDB removed from RHEL 8 beta due to license
#4It looks like it is, but is there any official word that the SSPL is proprietary? As far as I know MongoDB claims it isn't, and it hasn't been reviewed officially by either the FSF or the OSI. Is it in license purgatory?
Re: MongoDB removed from RHEL 8 beta due to license
#5It looks like it is, but is there any official word that the SSPL is proprietary? As far as I know MongoDB claims it isn't, and it hasn't been reviewed officially by either the FSF or the OSI. Is it in license purgatory?
I don't know if it can be called free. But section 13 of the SSPL is certainly incompatible to RHEL's distribution model, or any other linux distribution I know of.
In particular it requires you to license "the Corresponding Source for all programs that you use to make the Program or modified version available as a service" under the SSPL. That naturally includes the linux kernel which is licensed under the GPL - and cannot be simply relicensed.
Re: MongoDB removed from RHEL 8 beta due to license
#6It looks like it is, but is there any official word that the SSPL is proprietary? As far as I know MongoDB claims it isn't, and it hasn't been reviewed officially by either the FSF or the OSI. Is it in license purgatory?
Seems redhat lawyers have reviewed it, here's the announcement wrt fedora: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fe...
Re: MongoDB removed from RHEL 8 beta due to license
#7It looks like it is, but is there any official word that the SSPL is proprietary? As far as I know MongoDB claims it isn't, and it hasn't been reviewed officially by either the FSF or the OSI. Is it in license purgatory?
I don't know if it can be called free. But section 13 of the SSPL is certainly incompatible to RHEL's distribution model, or any other linux distribution I know of. In particular it requires you to license "the Corresponding Source for all programs that you use to make the Program or modified version available as a service" under the SSPL. That naturally includes the linux kernel which is licensed under the GPL - and…
But they don't make it available as a service. They distribute binaries and perhaps source code.
Re: MongoDB removed from RHEL 8 beta due to license
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know if it can be called free. But section 13 of the SSPL is certainly incompatible to RHEL's distribution model, or any other linux distribution I know of. In particular it requires you to license "the Corresponding Source for all programs that you use to make the Program or modified version available as a service" under the SSPL. That naturally includes the linux kernel which is licensed under the GPL - and…
But they don't make it available as a service. They distribute binaries and perhaps source code.
Free software must be free for all its users. The most common example of this is a license that restrict fields of endeavor.
E.g. I could make a license exactly like the GPL except with a clause saying fuzzy2 on HN can't use my software without paying me.
Even though RedHat and Debian aren't fuzzy2 on HN, and 99.99...% (or 100%) of their users aren't that user either, they'd still refuse to distribute it. That license would be non-free.
Re: MongoDB removed from RHEL 8 beta due to license
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
But they don't make it available as a service. They distribute binaries and perhaps source code.
Free software must be free for all its users. The most common example of this is a license that restrict fields of endeavor. E.g. I could make a license exactly like the GPL except with a clause saying fuzzy2 on HN can't use my software without paying me. Even though RedHat and Debian aren't fuzzy2 on HN, and 99.99...% (or 100%) of their users aren't that user either, they'd still refuse to distribute it. That licens…
I think the parent was commenting that since Red Hat did not offer a service, there is no legal restriction in distributing the code. In other words, if Red Hat decided to change its stance on distributing only free software, they could do so legally. I'm glad they didn't, but I think the parent is correct.
Edit: Usually don't complain about down votes, but I'd be happy to hear why the parent is incorrect if I've got it wrong. Are they not legally able to distribute for some reason?
Re-Edit: I read the initial query incorrectly. Yes, the parent's post is unrelated to the query. Sorry!
Re: MongoDB removed from RHEL 8 beta due to license
#10It looks like it is, but is there any official word that the SSPL is proprietary? As far as I know MongoDB claims it isn't, and it hasn't been reviewed officially by either the FSF or the OSI. Is it in license purgatory?
If I understood that message correctly, it seems that Debian decided to remove MongoDB from its main repository as well: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=915537#15