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Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by bobajeff »

latexr wrote: post #249
Aunche wrote: post #203

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I'm a bit uncomfortable with how much DDG's marketing is focused on trashing their competition. They deliberately obfuscate privacy issues to strengthen their narrative. Sure duckduckgo is a good company right now, but that's only because they're small. I doubt they'll stay that way when they capture a significant market share.

> Sure duckduckgo is a good company right now, but that's only because they're small. Only because they are small? That seems to imply that if they ever get big, they’ll no doubt become evil, privacy-wise. Apple proves that does not have to be the case.

That because Apple isn't primarily a Web or services company.

Any company who's business revolves around online ads will be tempted to invade your privacy.

See: http://peakads.org

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by latexr »

bobajeff wrote: post #261
latexr wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sure duckduckgo is a good company right now, but that's only because they're small. Only because they are small? That seems to imply that if they ever get big, they’ll no doubt become evil, privacy-wise. Apple proves that does not have to be the case.

That because Apple isn't primarily a Web or services company. Any company who's business revolves around online ads will be tempted to invade your privacy. See: http://peakads.org

Still, that doesn’t guarantee they’ll turn evil once (if) they are big, which the parent comment seems to imply with the word “only”.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by imandride »

I can't imagine many people use the maps features in DDG. Switching over to Apple maps isn't going to help, considering that everyone I know in New England stops using Apple maps after about the fifth attempt. Absolutely everyone has an iPhone yet I have no idea how Apple Maps looks like at this point.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by t0astbread »

aphextron wrote: post #115
grsmto wrote: post #8

I wish they were explaining why they moved away from Mapbox and OSM in general!

>I wish they were explaining why they moved away from Mapbox and OSM in general! Because it sucks. Isn’t that obvious? There’s no point in having a feature that nobody uses. I switched to DDG a few months ago and this has always been the one weakness. This is really good news IMO. Apple maps has come a long long way since launch, and their data is about on par with Google at this point. You can argue all day that of…

You're forgetting one detail that I think should be emphasized here: OSM is about free knowledge (as in freedom). You can use, modify and share OSM data however you want. Apple on the other hand is hoarding its information. You can only access it through their products in the ways they intended. They control everything (as always).

I do believe it when Apple says they're respecting their users' privacy, just like I believe it when DDG says that. But I am disappointed when I see how these companies neglect freedom and how so few of their users care about it.

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Post by Brakenshire »

JohnFen wrote: post #160
kuschku wrote: post #126

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In many places (e.g. many parts of Germany) Google and Apple maps are far inferior compared to OSM and Mapbox specifically. I tried finding an address recently on Google Maps, and just couldn’t find it, only to discover that that street was added 4 years ago, so ofc Google (with data from 2011) didn’t have it. OSM had it.

Yes, OSM can give truly excellent results for certain areas. And truly awful results for others.

The same for Apple Maps, except any improvements that go there fall into another closed silo.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by latexr »

setr wrote: post #260
latexr wrote: post #249

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> Sure duckduckgo is a good company right now, but that's only because they're small. Only because they are small? That seems to imply that if they ever get big, they’ll no doubt become evil, privacy-wise. Apple proves that does not have to be the case.

Apple’s main business is hardware, and software that helps sell the hardware. Any revenue from data is likely a seperate, minor stream; and for it to become a significant one, likely requires significant changes in Apple’s operations. Like any other hardware company, they don’t need google’s kind of data collection to make money. But DDG is primarily funded by search, and the search business is funded by ads, which a…

I don’t disagree that DDG might turn evil. What I disagree with is the premise that they are not evil only because they are small.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by criddell »

objclxt wrote: post #173
SEJeff wrote: post #131

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Because Tim Cook, as a homosexual, has teared up when speaking about human rights abuses of homosexual under repressive regimes, and how as the CEO of apple, he will do anything within his power to ensure your data stays safe on apple infra / hw because he personally thinks about it. Can't remember the interview, but it was quite touching actually. He's very clear in shareholder calls / letters and in their privacy p…

> Because Tim Cook, as a homosexual, has teared up when speaking about human rights abuses of homosexual under repressive regimes ...but is also more than happy to meet and shake hands with the leaders of those repressive regimes? Like the UAE, which criminalizes sodomy and deports those who identify as LGBT? https://www.thenational.ae/uae/government/abu-dhabi-crown-pr... Is it possible Apple, like Tim Cook, has the…

There's another way to look at it - Tim Cook has managed to get these leaders of repressive regimes to shake hands and do business with an openly gay man who is widely admired.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by maxerickson »

mtmail wrote: post #9

Some paint it as if the main reason to switch was privacy ( https://www.imore.com/duckduckgo-switches-apple-maps-because... "DuckDuckGo switches to Apple Maps, because privacy"), but the previous map provider was mapbox (openstreetmap plus commercial sources) and I doubt mapbox collected more data than Apple is now.

At some point their place search was powered by Yelp.

The flip side with Mapbox is that they probably weren't collecting any less data either.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by Ajax25 »

johnsea wrote: post #135
gowld wrote: post #41

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DDG's main marketing model is talking about how they believe Google is privacy threat, so they'll highlight that angle in any change.

Google _is_ a privacy threat. Completely unrelated to DDG, marketing or believe. One Google with thousand tentacles...

Yeah, but so is about anything else. Google doesn't share that information, that's a huge principle of their company. Also, DDG is small, so it can be easily exploited.
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