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EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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What about those of us who don't live in Europe?

Are you asking how can you influence law making in a country that you're not a citizen of?

Yes, because it effects me, and I am morally opposed to this position.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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Right to be Forgotten, GDPR, and now this... pretty soon the barrier to entry will be so high that no new players would be able to get off the ground with an internet company in Europe.

Apologies for being dense, but:

a) Regarding the right to be forgotten and GDPR, can't you handle it manually when you're small and automate it when you're big? Complaints should be proportional to the number of users, so it hardly seems like a problem.

b) Article 13 is apparently "a proposal to end the appearance of unlicensed copyrighted works on big user-generated content platforms". I don't know what "big" means, but presumably it excludes "new players" that haven't gotten "off the ground".

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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War within the EU is really really unlikely. A successful part of the EEC/EU is integrating the economies of its countries to such an extend that war becomes economically un-viable. Nowadays war between France and Germany is close to as absurd a thought as a war between Calafornia and Texas is. It's not remotely comparable to 1900-1950. Russia is the largest threat for European countries, but currently an attack on a…

That's what experts were saying before 1914, too: war is really unlikely because the economies are more integrated than they have ever been.

This is patently false. Theme in pre-1914 continental European press was monarchies struggling with independence movements, question of next Franc-Prussian conflict (because everybody was certain that peace between those two can't hold), and stability of Russian empire (that was at time engaged in bloody war with Japanese while being shaken by internal tensions).

Inter-war period was hardly one of economical integration, considered that most of European countries were engaged in economic war with other - eg. Poland had no economic exchange with its neighbours.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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post #58

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It can work the other way too. GDPR is not very complicated and a new actor would have a big advantage in designing their system to be compliant from the start.

GDPR isn't so bad, but it is pretty vague. Holding IP Addresses in server logs may or may not violate GDPR.

IP addresses work pretty well for user discrimination (sure NAT can hide many users, but then there are other signals).

However if you don't store raw logs forever it should be okay.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you asking how can you influence law making in a country that you're not a citizen of?

Yes, because it effects me, and I am morally opposed to this position.

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Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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post #69

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War within the EU is really really unlikely. A successful part of the EEC/EU is integrating the economies of its countries to such an extend that war becomes economically un-viable. Nowadays war between France and Germany is close to as absurd a thought as a war between Calafornia and Texas is. It's not remotely comparable to 1900-1950. Russia is the largest threat for European countries, but currently an attack on a…

That's what experts were saying before 1914, too: war is really unlikely because the economies are more integrated than they have ever been.

[Citation needed]

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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post #69

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War within the EU is really really unlikely. A successful part of the EEC/EU is integrating the economies of its countries to such an extend that war becomes economically un-viable. Nowadays war between France and Germany is close to as absurd a thought as a war between Calafornia and Texas is. It's not remotely comparable to 1900-1950. Russia is the largest threat for European countries, but currently an attack on a…

That's what experts were saying before 1914, too: war is really unlikely because the economies are more integrated than they have ever been.

Tensions were very high in early 20th century Europe. If you're honestly saying this you either have not read history books on the era, or you know something very scary about Merkel that I don't.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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I wonder whyI always get downvoted into oblivion for stating that which to me is an obvious fact: The EU is too far removed from reality to legislate. It now has a long and sordid history of over-doing things to the extreme. In Denmark, we've had 'cinnamon patrols' go from bakery to bakery to verify that only the allowed amount of cinnamon was sprinkled on buns. We had what felt like a complete shutdown of IT departm…

You know why the EU overregulates? Because EU countries individually overregulate. And you know why that is? Because European people ask for new regulation every single time something goes wrong or might go wrong in the future or is a little bit unfair in some rare cases. In the UK, we now have a debate about regulating portion sizes of ready meals, because some people are overweight. If you have voters and politicia…

Don’t let the food processing companies derail that discussion. Decreasing portion size will just make people buy two. If anything should be regulated it would be the ingredients allowed in things that are called meals. Specifically sugar.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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Yes, because it effects me, and I am morally opposed to this position.

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Or any nation state interacting with another?

Seems like you're trying to be edgy and political, but non-citizens advocating for change happens frequently.

Re: EU Copyright Directive is a catastrophe for free expression and competition

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I might not put things in quite such confrontational terms, but the general complaint some people are making here is valid. The EU does have a track record of taking on technical issues without adequately understanding them and so legislating with perhaps good intentions but not always good results. This has caused significant damage to many organisations because of (presumably) unintended side effects, and obviously…

So do all governments. It's just easier to hate the EU

So do all governments.

That's true, but not all governments do it with the same ratio of genuine benefit to unwanted side-effects and collateral damage.

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