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Re: GBatteries (YC W14) let you charge your car as quickly as visiting the pump

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I'm on road trips with my friends, I can never get them out of a rest stop faster than 25 minutes. When I'm on the road with my wife, 15 minutes is about the right time.

Are you sitting at the pump the whole time?

In the case of my friends, I'm sitting at the pump or standing in the store texting my friends. In the case of my wife, I'm waiting for her to get out of the restroom.

Re: GBatteries (YC W14) let you charge your car as quickly as visiting the pump

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That sounds like a cry to be bought by the highest bidder. Just of the shelf hardware and some pixie dust, err, "AI". Sure thing they'll find some car company that will sink some millions into their company.

Remember the Tesla insider that leaked a bunch of firmware and system details?

https://twitter.com/atomicthumbs/status/1032939652393521156

If it's to believed, the charge rate limit from a Supercharger is already maxed out -- they're pushing energy into the battery as fast as the charger can supply it (and taking some safety risks in the process).

This same company has been around for a few years with spurious claims about improving laptop battery life with their AI algorithms. So far nobody has seen evidence that it works, and nobody is lining up to buy them.

Re: GBatteries (YC W14) let you charge your car as quickly as visiting the pump

#23
This is a straight up lie right?

My car (2017 Honda Accord) has a 500+ mile range on a tank of gas. It'd take over an hour to charge to 500 miles.

Even at 15 minutes that's a lie. It takes no more than 2-3 minutes of actual pumping to fill my 500+ mile tank of gas.

Re: GBatteries (YC W14) let you charge your car as quickly as visiting the pump

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post #23

This is a straight up lie right? My car (2017 Honda Accord) has a 500+ mile range on a tank of gas. It'd take over an hour to charge to 500 miles. Even at 15 minutes that's a lie. It takes no more than 2-3 minutes of actual pumping to fill my 500+ mile tank of gas.

Can take 15 minutes+ in Oregon since we can't pump our own gas. But yeah, last road trip I got ~600 miles out of a full tank. This company has a loooong way to go if they want to compete with that.

Re: GBatteries (YC W14) let you charge your car as quickly as visiting the pump

#25

Super skeptical here, or at least the wording is misleading as hell. > The product allows users to charge a 60kWh EV battery pack with 119 miles of range in 15 minutes as compared to 15 miles in 15 minutes today. > The technology works with off-the-shelf lithium ion batteries and existing fast charge infrastructure by integrating via a patented self-contained adapter on a car charge port First read says that they're…

Tesla superchargers also peak out at 120KW.

Re: GBatteries (YC W14) let you charge your car as quickly as visiting the pump

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post #23

This is a straight up lie right? My car (2017 Honda Accord) has a 500+ mile range on a tank of gas. It'd take over an hour to charge to 500 miles. Even at 15 minutes that's a lie. It takes no more than 2-3 minutes of actual pumping to fill my 500+ mile tank of gas.

Can take 15 minutes+ in Oregon since we can't pump our own gas. But yeah, last road trip I got ~600 miles out of a full tank. This company has a loooong way to go if they want to compete with that.

Even in Oregon (or NJ where I'm originally from), it takes longer because of stuff outside of the actual pumping. So if for some reason you're not allowed to charge your own car, it'd just move from 15 minutes to 30 minutes.

Also in NJ it definitely doesn't take more than 5 extra minutes waiting for the attendant 95% of the time.

Re: GBatteries (YC W14) let you charge your car as quickly as visiting the pump

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post #23

This is a straight up lie right? My car (2017 Honda Accord) has a 500+ mile range on a tank of gas. It'd take over an hour to charge to 500 miles. Even at 15 minutes that's a lie. It takes no more than 2-3 minutes of actual pumping to fill my 500+ mile tank of gas.

Can take 15 minutes+ in Oregon since we can't pump our own gas. But yeah, last road trip I got ~600 miles out of a full tank. This company has a loooong way to go if they want to compete with that.

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Re: GBatteries (YC W14) let you charge your car as quickly as visiting the pump

#28

There is a fix for slow charging that is literally as fast as filling a tank but nobody wants to use it. (I assume it is the same reason that there are pages and pages of battery improvements that never make it to market.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_battery

The other fix would be swappable batteries. But it would require a huge engineering effort.

Re: GBatteries (YC W14) let you charge your car as quickly as visiting the pump

#29

Super skeptical here, or at least the wording is misleading as hell. > The product allows users to charge a 60kWh EV battery pack with 119 miles of range in 15 minutes as compared to 15 miles in 15 minutes today. > The technology works with off-the-shelf lithium ion batteries and existing fast charge infrastructure by integrating via a patented self-contained adapter on a car charge port First read says that they're…

Hi! I'm one of the founders at GBatteries, please let me try to clear that up.

We've demonstrated 5 min to 50% charge, 10 min to 100% - I’ll edit this to include a demo that we’ve done at CES 2019, and that we’re now exhibiting at the Detroit Auto show demonstrating.

[EDIT] Video here: https://youtu.be/kSLrqR4TfnU Note: Charging times can vary by ~1 minute here and there, because the algorithm is adaptive and characteristics of batteries change from moment to moment.

>First read says that they're delivering 60kWh in 15min, or they're pumping electrons at 240kW. This is just nonsense -- most deployed DC fast chargers are 50kW... the charger companies and the OEMs are experimenting with 200kW chargers, but those are liquid cooled. So physics says this is nonsense.

>Okay, so second read: the 60 kWh is distracting technobabble, and what they're ACTUALLY doing is "adding 119 miles of range in 15 minutes."

There’s a mistake in the article, in both cases it should be in 5 minutes; should be corrected shortly.

In this example, we’re talking about a 60kWh battery with 238 miles of range (Chevy Bolt). Right now the car charges 90miles in 30 minutes, or 15 miles in 5 minutes because the manufacturer limits the charging rate for the batteries in order to preserve their life. Our technology can enable these Li-ion batteries to charge in 5 min to 50%, or 119 miles. This example assumes that the car goes to a fast charging station that has enough power to charge the vehicle in this time; fast charge infrastructure that’s currently being put up by companies like Ionity (350kW), Electrify America, or Charge Point (500kW capability).

The problem with batteries today is not charging speed; it’s possible to charge any battery quickly, but the faster you charge a battery the faster it will degrade. Our technology is able to decrease the irreversible chemical reactions that happen during charging, so that the same batteries can be charged fast without compromising cycle life.

Re: GBatteries (YC W14) let you charge your car as quickly as visiting the pump

#30

Do people in the US take 15m to visit the pump?

No, not really. The trade off I make for my Tesla is that I spend 0 time at the pump 359 days out of the year and about 45 min at the pump on 6 days when I take a long trips. Though, on those days, we are in the restaurant eating while it is charging, not just sitting there staring at it.
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