Re-decentralizing the Web, for good this time • Hacker News Board

Re: Re-decentralizing the Web, for good this time

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Post by xj9 » Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 4:04 PM UTC

TheRealPomax wrote: post #91

xj9 wrote: post #85

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you've clearly not used any of the modern roaming-enabled encrypted overlay networks that people have been working on. one example is hyperboria. i connect to a handful of public relays (and one that i host myself) and no matter where i am my device is reachable at the same ip address. the address is an ipv6-encoded hash of the public key that is used for routing. its actually really neat, and you don't need to wait…

I haven't even heard of these things, and your description sounds like so much effort I'm not even going to be looking this tech up. If it's more than "install using an installer, not a terminal, and then it just works(tm)", it's not the kind of thing that's going to get people who weren't already on board, on board.

well, i didn't say this was a consumer-ready network. i'm just pointing out that the technical issue behind "how do i route to my aunt's network if she changes her location" is a solved problem. nobody is saying this stuff is ready for mass consumption. we are building and using these things so that they can eventually be easy enough to use that we can replace current-internet with future-internet.

Re: Re-decentralizing the Web, for good this time

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Post by indigochill » Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 10:17 PM UTC

cwyers wrote: post #258

ska wrote: post #253

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The walled gardens exist because the open Internet kind of sucks, really. Was it that, or was it that the open internet was proving more difficult to monetize? Knock on effects on resources thrown at UX may be relevant.

It's not about UX, it's about how awful people are. Hacker News is an amazing place, and it's not because of the UX, which is certainly of a piece with the Old Internet. It's because there are people who put a lot of effort into making it a not a giant cesspool. And even then, it can be incredibly difficult to discuss some topics here because discussion becomes overrun by bad actors. If you want to get a sense of wha…

>not ignoring how the big commercial players have made things better than they were before.

In my book, they're moderately worse. I entered the internet around the time of free web forums, where anyone could run one for any reason. I moderated a couple moderately sized ones, mostly oriented around computer games. Overall it wasn't too bad. Certainly nothing compared to what I've seen in larger communities. I suspect the larger the community, the worse the garbage.

But the main reason I say commercial players have made it worse is that they've also commercialized content moderation. Which is to say, they employ people to sit at a desk looking at the absolute worst humanity has to offer for 8 straight hours a day for barely better than minimum wage. That's like a job straight out of Black Mirror.

Forum moderation, by contrast, was/is a volunteer position. You were only in it for as long as you chose to be, and you could leave at any time without any effect on your livelihood.

So I'd argue the "community watch" model of amateur forum moderators was closer to the greater good than the commercial walled gardens.

Re: Re-decentralizing the Web, for good this time

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Post by ska » Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 8:56 PM UTC

cwyers wrote: post #258

ska wrote: post #253

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The walled gardens exist because the open Internet kind of sucks, really. Was it that, or was it that the open internet was proving more difficult to monetize? Knock on effects on resources thrown at UX may be relevant.

It's not about UX, it's about how awful people are. Hacker News is an amazing place, and it's not because of the UX, which is certainly of a piece with the Old Internet. It's because there are people who put a lot of effort into making it a not a giant cesspool. And even then, it can be incredibly difficult to discuss some topics here because discussion becomes overrun by bad actors. If you want to get a sense of wha…

They've made some things better, and some things worse. Which I think was the point.

Re: Re-decentralizing the Web, for good this time

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Post by thekyle » Wed, Jan 16, 2019, 12:44 AM UTC

nicoburns wrote: post #246

ndnxhs wrote: post #205

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Basically all home routers block incoming connection because so many shitty IoT devices were built to trust anything that is able to connect to it. My router doesn't even have an option to turn off the block. Can only unblock ports 1 by 1

I guess the route around this would be for the maker of these devices to partner with router companies. Alternatively, they could also be routers. That would potentially make quite a lot of sense...

Doesn't UPnP already solve this? And it enabled by default on most routers.

Re: Re-decentralizing the Web, for good this time

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Post by brianberns » Fri, Jan 18, 2019, 7:19 PM UTC

rubenverborgh wrote: post #284

brianberns wrote: post #133

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The very first paragraph on linkeddata.org says it is for "exposing, sharing, and connecting pieces of data, information, and knowledge on the Semantic Web using URIs and RDF."

It does. But linkeddata.org is not an authoritative source, and even though that statement is partially correct, that doesn't mean that JavaScript developers will need to be exposed to RDF. Just like JavaScript developers aren't exposed to assembly, even though V8 generates it.

It's a shame that linkeddata.org is the top Google result for "linked data" then.