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Joy of Being a Woman in Her 70s

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Re: Joy of Being a Woman in Her 70s

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> There is an amazing calculus in old age. As much is taken away, we find more to love and appreciate. We experience bliss on a regular basis. As one friend said: “When I was young I needed sexual ecstasy or a hike to the top of a mountain to experience bliss. Now I can feel it when I look at a caterpillar on my garden path.” This makes me wonder how much teenage/adulthood is a layer of stress onto our brains. A very…

Gazing at caterpillars on a garden path does not generally lead to passing along your genes. Impatience and a craving for intensity does often lead to passing along your genes, I think the calculus is pretty straight forward.

Who says arranging for reproductive partners has to involve intensity? If everyone was equally relaxed...

Re: Joy of Being a Woman in Her 70s

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Gazing at caterpillars on a garden path does not generally lead to passing along your genes. Impatience and a craving for intensity does often lead to passing along your genes, I think the calculus is pretty straight forward.

Who says arranging for reproductive partners has to involve intensity? If everyone was equally relaxed...

Then they'd get out-reproduced by the occasional mutant, until the current state of affairs would reappear.

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Couldn't you write this stuff of anything? Ultimately, isn't it just empty rationalizations that we all have to go through as we grow old or what we do given any situation? What the fox in Aesop's story did when he could get at the grapes? Just rationalize and move on. People can write the "Joy of Being in Prison", the "Joy of Being Homeless", the "Joy of Impotence", the "Joy of Losing Your Limbs", etc. But is that r…

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Re: Joy of Being a Woman in Her 70s

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This was a good read. It resonated with me because I've been noticing this happening with my mother and father as they get older. I hate to say it like this, but I used to think that my mother was sort of a "simple person" (I can't think of a better word) because she used to tell my brother and I to try to be happy with what we have, to try to enjoy the small things in life, and to try to be appreciative of the things around us. My father, on the other hand, had high ambitions and that mentality always resonated with me more. I used to think that my mother was complacent.

Now that my parents have gotten older, I've noticed that my father is becoming more and more bitter and resentful over how his life turned out, while my mother is becoming more and more at peace with how things have turned out. My father never quite hit his high ambitions, and I can tell that it eats away at him constantly throughout the day. My mother, on the other hand, seems very content with the life she is living.

The study in contrasts is interesting to me, and I think there is something to be learned from both schools of thought. As with most things in life, the optimal path seems to be the middle way. My mother has a very good job and part of that is due to my father encouraging her and pushing her to step outside of her comfort zone and go back to school in her late age. Similarly, my father seems to be (very slowly) mellowing out a little in his late age due to my mother helping him come to terms with how things turned out. Still, there is a lot of bitterness and envy and resentment within him, and it's hard to watch. My mother seems far more well-adjusted now, in comparison.

At the end of the day I think that is what matters most--your relationship to your life. When you strip away all the external things, everything eventually comes down to your thoughts and your mindset and how you think about things. That was the vibe I got from reading this essay, that ultimately things come down to how we reframe things, and that might be the most important "skill" / practice to cultivate.

Re: Joy of Being a Woman in Her 70s

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Who says arranging for reproductive partners has to involve intensity? If everyone was equally relaxed...

Then they'd get out-reproduced by the occasional mutant, until the current state of affairs would reappear.

Yes, presumably this is only a result of conditions that cause reproductive competitiveness. So a better phrasing could be “Impatience and a craving for intensity leads to a higher rate of reproduction”. Presumably, because that impatience is impatience for sex. If it was impatience for say, graduation, or craving for the intensity of a cocaine high or physical violence, that would not lead to reproduction.

So it’s basically saying that having a high sex drive leads young people to reproduce. Okay.

Re: Joy of Being a Woman in Her 70s

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> We all suffer, but not all of us grow. Those of us who grow do so by developing our moral imaginations and expanding our carrying capacities for pain and bliss. In fact, this pendulum between joy and despair is what makes old age catalytic for spiritual and emotional growth. Never thought of it this way. An extremely humbling, optimistic and heart-warming read.

Reminds me of what Bob Ross said on his show after his wife died: > Gotta have opposites, light and dark and dark and light, in painting. It’s like in life. Gotta have a little sadness once in awhile so you know when the good times come. I'm waiting on the good times now. I'm not a Christian, but between Bob Ross and Fred Rogers, PBS really exhibited the best face of Christianity as a life philosophy.

Funny you should mention those two. There's a (false) urban legend about Fred Rogers fighting the Viet Cong, but what is true is that Bob Ross was in the military -- and hated it. His experience being "the guy who makes you scrub the latrine" is what led him to grow out his afro and cultivate his nice-guy persona.

Re: Joy of Being a Woman in Her 70s

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post #32

> There is an amazing calculus in old age. As much is taken away, we find more to love and appreciate. We experience bliss on a regular basis. As one friend said: “When I was young I needed sexual ecstasy or a hike to the top of a mountain to experience bliss. Now I can feel it when I look at a caterpillar on my garden path.” This makes me wonder how much teenage/adulthood is a layer of stress onto our brains. A very…

Gazing at caterpillars on a garden path does not generally lead to passing along your genes. Impatience and a craving for intensity does often lead to passing along your genes, I think the calculus is pretty straight forward.

The selfish gene argument is nice, but this implementation is far the only option. Or maybe it was tailored for harsh wild life and not comfy "school until 23" modern times.

Re: Joy of Being a Woman in Her 70s

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That sounds like resignation or acceptance rather than joy. You see this with terminally ill patients or first time prisoners. They initially struggle with their fate, but eventually accept or are resigned to their fate. That is different from joy.

One of the things I thought about a lot this past year is that when you're presented with a choice of "is it a big fake scam or is it this other authentic thing", the answer is often that it's both and whichever one you focus on blurs out the other.

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"Most of us don’t miss the male gaze. It came with catcalls, harassment and unwanted attention. Instead, we feel free from the tyranny of worrying about our looks. For the first time since we were 10, we can feel relaxed about our appearance." I call bullshit. People spend Billions to become more attractive, and rarely anything to become less attractive. If these women would have suffered so much from the "male gaze"…

It's actually really common for women who have experienced sexual assault to take steps (gaining weight, wearing loose baggy clothing) to avoid the male gaze.

Re: Joy of Being a Woman in Her 70s

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Couldn't you write this stuff of anything? Ultimately, isn't it just empty rationalizations that we all have to go through as we grow old or what we do given any situation? What the fox in Aesop's story did when he could get at the grapes? Just rationalize and move on. People can write the "Joy of Being in Prison", the "Joy of Being Homeless", the "Joy of Impotence", the "Joy of Losing Your Limbs", etc. But is that r…

Plus what 80-115 year old will dispute her claims?
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