He Disparaged the Police on Facebook, So They Arrested Him • Hacker News Board

Re: He Disparaged the Police on Facebook, So They Arrested Him

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Post by yayana » Tue, Jan 08, 2019, 11:36 AM UTC

darkpuma wrote: post #61

yayana wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am talking about whether Trump is theoretically guilty or not guilty of criminal defemation if 1(NH) or more (23) states claimed their jurisdiction applied and why that being discretionary in those states is therefore extremely problematic to our civic system. I'm not sure why you are interested in civil defemation law.

Trump has certainly defamed many people in a civil manner as well. If you understand why there seem to be so few civil suits against Trump for defamation, you will be closer to understanding why there are so few criminal cases against him for the same.

The interests of people who have been defamed is very different than one of those 23 DAs looking to gain from politics and/or subscribing to shock doctrine. It's virtually impossible to sue a DA for starting a criminal case.

But coming the original question is whether this is on topic. Yes it is.

Re: He Disparaged the Police on Facebook, So They Arrested Him

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Post by davvolun » Wed, Jan 09, 2019, 10:44 PM UTC

darkpuma wrote: post #68

davvolun wrote: post #67

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You don't need it to be a "well-researched psychological concept" if you've personally experienced it, but that does absolutely nothing to convince me, and further, you should carefully weigh your own anecdotal experience versus others' experiences. Maybe the reporting in your particular case was just really, really bad? How would you know? Maybe 99.9% of journalism is completely accurate and you just happened to fit…

Maybe you've never experienced it because you've never read an article about something you're an expert on? Nobody said that everybody experiences it.

What part of that responds to anything I said? I haven't even said (1) whether I believe the effect or not or (2) whether I have or have not experienced that effect myself. You're assuming I've made a statement one way or the other.

In the absence of scientific research, the "theory" is as true and useful as any saying "two in the hand is worth one in the bush", "a penny saved is a penny earned", ...

Re: He Disparaged the Police on Facebook, So They Arrested Him

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Post by davvolun » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 1:19 AM UTC

matt4077 wrote: post #64

darkpuma wrote: post #58

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It wouldn't find any traction if it didn't ring true with a lot of people. I don't need it to be a "well-researched psychological concept" if I've personally experienced it. Years ago when local papers were still relevant, there was a local paper article about me and three other people. They got the details hilariously wrong. Everything was totally backwards. There was no plausible motive for malice, they just got ev…

I feel that there's a sort of wide-spread cynicism that has far overshot its mark: people routinely disparage journalism, even though the better publishers (NYT, Economist, WSJ, etc) today are in my impression far better than ever before. They are, for example, exemplary in terms of correcting errors quickly and transparently. I rarely come across errors these days, and the ones I see corrected below articles are alm…

Right? I see Chris Cillizza deliberately drop the concluding sentence of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' comment to deliberately take it out of context[1] or a single CNN journalist fabricating sources for years[2] (not to pick on CNN too much, I don't think they're any worse than most news orgs, and they're better than a good few). And I think, there are some problems there, this deserves addressing, but to take that and scream FAKE NEWS in tweets every third day; that's just stupid.

[1] https://thehill.com/homenews/media/424190-ocasio-cortez-accu... [2] https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/20/media/claas-relotius-spiegel/...

Re: He Disparaged the Police on Facebook, So They Arrested Him

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Post by jackallis » Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 6:11 PM UTC

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #18

jackallis wrote: post #7

as a brown guy, i will never have the balls big enough to make comments like this.

As a white guy, I mourn that people of color feel that making comments like this requires courage. It shouldn't require courage at all, for anybody, regardless of color or race or religion or gender or anything . I mourn that people like you have to be more careful in interactions with police or other authorities. It just stinks.

I get your sentiment, but like all color folks who say to white folks, " you just don't understand what it means to be colored in everyday life." But you should not be ashamed to be white.