Does anyone actually know the reasons behind Meng's arrest?
https://www.scribd.com/document/395185756/Letter-from-the-U-...
thanks, I had been looking for a proper document such as this
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>If we start banning Chinese phones we'll buy American ones come in instead. Which American phones are these? The iPhone isn't made in the US, it's made by Foxconn.
Foxconn is Taiwanese not Chinese. Most of their manufacturing is in China so I'm not sure how much that distinction matters in this scenario but I thought it helpful to clarify.
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That is exactly what the experience is most of the time. It’s unpleasant because they’re not nice and they have way too much power, but it’s not a big deal. Again, my point is not that it’s completely awful, but rather that this minor unpleasantness still manages to be the worst thing on these trips.
I guess I don't understand what level of "niceness" you're expecting. Most of the time they've been friendly and polite (to me). Given that they're humans doing a basically crappy job, I don't expect any more than that.
Friendly and polite would be nice. I don’t think I’ve ever had that from US immigration, although it’s the norm elsewhere.
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at risk of sounding like an edgy libertarian, what do you think is the difference between a government and a gang with internal rules?
Properly governments operate by the consent of those they govern. Gangs rule territory and the people within it almost strictly by violence. The closest similar in governments is a dictatorship, which must rule by the constant arbitrary application of violence to keep people terrified. A proper government operates by the peaceful consent - representative government, democratic systems, constitutional rights protectio…
> Properly governments operate by the consent of those they govern.
Don't gangs operate by the consent of their members?
> Gangs rule territory and the people within it almost strictly by violence
Is this not the case in real world governments? After all they use the police to enforce their rule via violence.
> by the constant arbitrary application of violence to keep people terrified
Isn't this already the case in the judicial system? Sure, it is not as arbitrary as street gangs but certain people will receive bigger sentences than they deserve to set an example, or you have people like Ross Ulbricht that were sentenced for things that were not convinced for.
> peaceful consent - representative government
More like the dictatorship of the masses, where the people that do something that the majority does not like get punished. Though, it is true that this is not so similar to street gangs.
> constitutional rights protections
The constitution does not seem to matter that much in a lot of countries, including the US, as they tend to either introduce new clauses to the constitution or to create laws that contradict it.
> Codes of honor that are strictly adhered to within the mafia or gangs is wholly a fantasy, a lie, cheap hollywood bullshit at odds with all of history
Would you say the same about the yakuza for example as well?
> objective application of rules of justice ... objective laws
I can't really see anything objective about laws myself. To me both the command of the top of the gang and the laws are subjective.
> where human rights protections should be the primary concern and are not up for arbitrarily being tossed out the window
This seems to happen regularly even in the western nations.
> When the next leadership of the governments of Australia or Sweden come into being, they aren't going to randomly decide to murder a lot of people to establish their dominance.
Wasn't Germany was a democracy when that certain Austrian whose name we dare not to speak got to power?
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Weird. I have never had a pleasant experience with US customs. They are usually not unpleasant either, but they’re never friendly or even more than vaguely polite. (I say “usually” because my wife was once told off quite rudely when she went through the visitors line as a permanent resident, because she wanted to help and translate for visiting family members she was with.) The worst part of the experience is knowing…
I've been through many times as white British person (both as a visitor and on various visas) and have never had a bad experience. I'm not denying that people do have bad experiences. But I find it kind of hard to believe that as a US citizen, you've never once had an experience of re-entering the country that didn't involve the customs agent asking you a couple of simple questions and then sending you on your way.
I'm a US citizen living abroad, and when I flew into Newark once, an agent turned me away because I could not give him an address for where I was staying, since my mother had just moved. I believe his words were "no, no, no, I can't deal with this right now" and he yelled at me when I tried to explain. There was literally nowhere else for me to go.
After walking around flustered, I decided to try another kiosk and that guy let me through. That's how stupid and arbitrary the process can be for an arriving citizen.
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According to your link, the teacher was employed illegally. It's common for students and other people without work permits to be offered positions as English teachers where the only requirement is being born in North America. The employers usually gloss over the illegality or claim that the laws are not enforced. That's been true in the past, but as that teacher had to learn, it can change anytime. So my generalized…
>So my generalized advice is to comply with the law In a country where millions of people are held in reeducation camps for practicing the wrong religion, the "law" as written is a joke. From friends living their, it's impossible to actually strictly follow what's on the books, particularly for foreigners. You have to know the current expectations, what's being enforced by the local government etc... What matters isn…
> From friends living their, it's impossible to actually strictly follow what's on the books, particularly for foreigners.
Could you give an example of laws that your friends found impossible to follow? If they don't speak Chinese, that would explain it, because obviously you first need to understand what the law says before you can comply.
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#157At this point I think I'm too afraid to ever go to China. You can't get justice there, and you can be swept up into some stupid diplomatic spat. Don't they realize how short-sighted this is? This is incredibly harmful to tourism.
It can happen in the US as well. All the cops have to do is put some drugs in your car while searching it.
This very rarely happens at the direction of senior members of the government.
No system is perfect, but in the US we can generally assume the government to be bound by law.
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I guess I don't understand what level of "niceness" you're expecting. Most of the time they've been friendly and polite (to me). Given that they're humans doing a basically crappy job, I don't expect any more than that.
Friendly and polite would be nice. I don’t think I’ve ever had that from US immigration, although it’s the norm elsewhere.
I guess there's not much point in just trading anecdotes, but that's really not my experience. I've generally found US customs to be friendlier than British customs, for example (and I'm British).
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Probably not. Death sentence for drug-related crimes are very common in China. A British citizen got death sentence too a few years back.
Was he executed?
from what i read this morning yes he was, don't have the source available on my hands right now
Re: China sentences Canadian man to death in drug case linked to Huawei row
#160At this point I think I'm too afraid to ever go to China. You can't get justice there, and you can be swept up into some stupid diplomatic spat. Don't they realize how short-sighted this is? This is incredibly harmful to tourism.
It's hard to travel anywhere these days. But the US "justice" system is not any better (just more hypocritical - at least China doesn't pretend to follow human rights). Pissing off the US is generally a bad idea due to all the extradition agreements in place. Take for example cyber crime: Guys like MalwareTech are being made an example of.
A country that imprisons people just because being poor and runs it's prisons as capitalist corporations, not to mention champions black sites to torture others shouldn't have an extradition agreement with anyone. The US partners in Europe are as bad.
I'm not suggesting the US is alone with this but us Westerners should be careful with pointing fingers at China, (or Russia) and claim that we have any right to lecture them on human rights issues or our superior legal system. Not in the age of Trump, Bannon, Farage, May, Kurz, Orban, Seehofer, and all other fascists in power today.