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China sentences Canadian man to death in drug case linked to Huawei row

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Re: China sentences Canadian man to death in drug case linked to Huawei row

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Post by finnjohnsen2 »

abbe_k wrote: post #39
mikeash wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was already a convicted drug trafficker. I don’t see any indication that his original 15-year sentence was improper. It is possible that he was falsely convicted, of course, but I don’t know that this is more likely in China than elsewhere. Suddenly changing his sentence to death is rather suspicious, but at least for me it doesn’t make a huge difference compared to a 15-year sentence. Random anecdote: I just got…

You don't think there is a big difference between 15 years in prison and the death penalty? You still have a lot of time left in life after 15 years so it is major difference.

Not if you're quite old. Which I is the only way I find what he said to be logical.

Re: China sentences Canadian man to death in drug case linked to Huawei row

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Post by maccio92 »

Insanity wrote: post #42
fermienrico wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve always had a pleasant experience returning home. I travel 200 days in a year and never have I had a bad experience during US Immigration. In fact, I look forward to “Welcome home” from an officer although now it’s more expedited with the automated passport control and they hardly take more than 20 seconds to let you go. I am curious of your bad experience, can you tell us more? Edit: I do not look like a typical…

Maybe it is different when you don't _look_ like you're a US citizen.

How does a US citizen _look_? Last I checked we were an incredibly diverse nation.

Re: China sentences Canadian man to death in drug case linked to Huawei row

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Post by finnjohnsen2 »

mikejb wrote: post #80
CydeWeys wrote: post #4

At this point I think I'm too afraid to ever go to China. You can't get justice there, and you can be swept up into some stupid diplomatic spat. Don't they realize how short-sighted this is? This is incredibly harmful to tourism.

News we get about China is heavily biased, and it taints our perspective. There's people who won't travel to the US because they hear daily news of someone getting shot there, and I think that's on a similar position on the reasonable/ridiculous scale.

A good point.

Re: China sentences Canadian man to death in drug case linked to Huawei row

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Post by sharpneli »

korvighua wrote: post #72
CydeWeys wrote: post #4

At this point I think I'm too afraid to ever go to China. You can't get justice there, and you can be swept up into some stupid diplomatic spat. Don't they realize how short-sighted this is? This is incredibly harmful to tourism.

Related links: Thirteen Canadians have been detained in China since Huawei executive’s arrest, says Ottawa https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-thirteen-ca... China says detained Canadian Michael Kovrig doesn't have diplomatic immunity https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/china-says-detained-canadian-m... You shouldn't be going to a country where they don't even respect diplomatic immunity

http://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/convention...

"A “diplomatic agent” is the head of the mission or a member of the diplomatic staff of the mission;"

"1.A diplomatic agent shall enjoy immunity from the criminal jurisdiction of the receiving State. He shall also enjoy immunity from its civil and administrative jurisdiction, except in the case of:"...

Michael Kovrig was not part of a diplomatic mission to China by Canada. Therefore he is not a diplomatic agent.

This is a clear cut case. Ex-diplomats with private passports are not entitled to diplomatic immunity.

Re: China sentences Canadian man to death in drug case linked to Huawei row

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Post by foldr »

3pt14159 wrote: post #71
mikeash wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was already a convicted drug trafficker. I don’t see any indication that his original 15-year sentence was improper. It is possible that he was falsely convicted, of course, but I don’t know that this is more likely in China than elsewhere. Suddenly changing his sentence to death is rather suspicious, but at least for me it doesn’t make a huge difference compared to a 15-year sentence. Random anecdote: I just got…

Either China is doing this so they can have something to retreat on that seems gracious and careful (i.e., it's a complete ploy) or they're completely misreading Canadian sentiment. Canadians tend to give and give and bend and bend, but it really comes to it they snap in a way that I don't think the Chinese understand. We have way more leverage over China than they have over us. We sell them commodities. They sell us…

>If we start banning Chinese phones we'll buy American ones come in instead.

Which American phones are these? The iPhone isn't made in the US, it's made by Foxconn.

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Post by Insanity »

maccio92 wrote: post #102
Insanity wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it is different when you don't _look_ like you're a US citizen.

How does a US citizen _look_? Last I checked we were an incredibly diverse nation.

Well, I meant what they think a US citizen would look like. For example, if you look Asian, you might still be a US citizen but more likely they'd treat you differently.

I'm saying this as someone who is married to a Mexican and crosses the US border by car. In general the experiences have been good by the way - just not all the time.

I'm just saying that it could be influenced by the way you look.

Re: China sentences Canadian man to death in drug case linked to Huawei row

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Post by Cypher »

CydeWeys wrote: post #4

At this point I think I'm too afraid to ever go to China. You can't get justice there, and you can be swept up into some stupid diplomatic spat. Don't they realize how short-sighted this is? This is incredibly harmful to tourism.

you can't get justice in the west either that's why Snowden went to Russia..

Re: China sentences Canadian man to death in drug case linked to Huawei row

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Post by CydeWeys »

ngokevin wrote: post #70
CydeWeys wrote: post #4

At this point I think I'm too afraid to ever go to China. You can't get justice there, and you can be swept up into some stupid diplomatic spat. Don't they realize how short-sighted this is? This is incredibly harmful to tourism.

As long as you're not an organized drug trafficker. Also our media is susceptible to surfacing up anti-China pieces so it'll skew perceptions. I think it could be healthy to visit to get a different perspective other than "that evil brainwashed country on the other side" that I feel is very pervasive. It's an interesting place to visit if you feel like you want to go to a different planet. Though the fact people are…

You don't need to be a drug smuggler to be held as a political hostage there. Look at the other links in this thread of other people being snatched as hostages for far less.

In a country without rule of law it's trivial to fabricate some excuse to grab someone if you want to. Your only recourse is to not go there at all, as whether you get snatched if you are there is outside your control. "Don't smuggle drugs" isn't sufficient.

Re: China sentences Canadian man to death in drug case linked to Huawei row

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Post by foldr »

mikeash wrote: post #53
fermienrico wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve always had a pleasant experience returning home. I travel 200 days in a year and never have I had a bad experience during US Immigration. In fact, I look forward to “Welcome home” from an officer although now it’s more expedited with the automated passport control and they hardly take more than 20 seconds to let you go. I am curious of your bad experience, can you tell us more? Edit: I do not look like a typical…

Weird. I have never had a pleasant experience with US customs. They are usually not unpleasant either, but they’re never friendly or even more than vaguely polite. (I say “usually” because my wife was once told off quite rudely when she went through the visitors line as a permanent resident, because she wanted to help and translate for visiting family members she was with.) The worst part of the experience is knowing…

I've been through many times as white British person (both as a visitor and on various visas) and have never had a bad experience. I'm not denying that people do have bad experiences. But I find it kind of hard to believe that as a US citizen, you've never once had an experience of re-entering the country that didn't involve the customs agent asking you a couple of simple questions and then sending you on your way.
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