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Gmail: Trap my contacts now (warning when exporting contacts to Facebook)

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Re: Gmail: Trap my contacts now (warning when exporting contacts to Facebook)

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Facebook could allow users to "Opt-in" an email export. If I'm not "Opt-in", only my name would be exported by me and my friends. We all know that Opt-in is like "does not exist", but they could at least say they are open. edit: They could even sell it as a privacy feature ...

Facebook would have to offer such a facility in order to allow users to opt-in, and there seems to be plenty of evidence that they do not want to do that.

Re: Gmail: Trap my contacts now (warning when exporting contacts to Facebook)

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The warning says: "Here’s the not-so-fine print. You have been directed to this page from a site that doesn’t allow you to re-export your data to other services, essentially locking up your contact data about your friends." I think this is misleading - Doesn't Facebook allow you to download all of your data, just like Google? As much as I dislike Facebook's privacy policies, the mudslinging seems a little thick from…

No, you can't get your "friends"' email info out.

I see, thanks for the clarification. So, you can download all of your pictures and wall posts, but not contact data.

Re: Gmail: Trap my contacts now (warning when exporting contacts to Facebook)

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The warning says: "Here’s the not-so-fine print. You have been directed to this page from a site that doesn’t allow you to re-export your data to other services, essentially locking up your contact data about your friends." I think this is misleading - Doesn't Facebook allow you to download all of your data, just like Google? As much as I dislike Facebook's privacy policies, the mudslinging seems a little thick from…

Facebook to my knowledge does not let you export your friends email addresses in a way that they could be synced with your email service. I think that if they did, it would be beneficial to everyone. Their claim that email addresses are private is bogus. They could add buttons to the privacy settings that would allow a user to block their email from being access by friends. There is no valid, as in non anti competitive, reason to hold on to names and email of your Facebook friends.

I'm just waiting for Facebook to release a real email service ala gmail in the near future to escalate this battle.

Re: Gmail: Trap my contacts now (warning when exporting contacts to Facebook)

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Google is being silly. First because they're breaking the usability of THEIR own site out of an invented vendetta against a company that is just using the feature they created and made available. If they don't believe people should be able to export data from Gmail they should stop offering it generally and compete against other email providers with a more closed platform, not whine about reciprocity from sites that…

Facebook has, I assume, the ability to discern me from an app, and so easily could give me a way to export my friends contact information made visible to me while simultaneously not giving it to Farmville.

Why should anyone consider it reasonable to insist that someone else needs to create an API that selectively differentiates between users based on arbitrary and easily spoofed technical criteria? This makes no sense. It is expensive technically and expensive in terms of the development time and effort needed to maintain it. Not to mention easily fooled.

Google is keeping its data export open because it's providing an email service and is in competition with Yahoo and Hotmail. Perhaps they're not so sure about whether that is a good idea. If they think their business model has a problem they should fix the problem, not lecture Facebook about how the company runs its own business.

Re: Gmail: Trap my contacts now (warning when exporting contacts to Facebook)

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Google is being silly. First because they're breaking the usability of THEIR own site out of an invented vendetta against a company that is just using the feature they created and made available. If they don't believe people should be able to export data from Gmail they should stop offering it generally and compete against other email providers with a more closed platform, not whine about reciprocity from sites that…

Don't get it wrong, facebook it's not protecting you against anything, they are just monopolizing your relationships so that you won't move on with ease to other services.

What does Facebook's motives have to do with anything? The question under discussion is whether a random stranger who can convince one of my friends to sign up for a virtual pet should suddenly be able to spam me.

Facebook has good reasons not to open their social graph -- and Google's lecturing them about noblesse oblige on this front is silly. Google should make decisions about its data portability policy based on its own needs. If they don't like this kind of access close the API. Keeping it open but shrill and insensible like this is amateur.

Re: Gmail: Trap my contacts now (warning when exporting contacts to Facebook)

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post #20

The warning says: "Here’s the not-so-fine print. You have been directed to this page from a site that doesn’t allow you to re-export your data to other services, essentially locking up your contact data about your friends." I think this is misleading - Doesn't Facebook allow you to download all of your data, just like Google? As much as I dislike Facebook's privacy policies, the mudslinging seems a little thick from…

No, you can't get your "friends"' email info out.

There are several apps like this one that claim to export your friends and email address to CSV format.

http://apps.facebook.com/friendstocsv/

Re: Gmail: Trap my contacts now (warning when exporting contacts to Facebook)

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"I recognize that once it’s been imported to another service, that service may not allow me to export it back out." I could see how this could scare the average user into thinking their contacts are moved from Google to facebook and stuck there, thus loosing their ability to use them within Google's products. Do you think this is the intention?

It's a big "F U" to Facebook because they don't reciprocate.

Re: Gmail: Trap my contacts now (warning when exporting contacts to Facebook)

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't get it wrong, facebook it's not protecting you against anything, they are just monopolizing your relationships so that you won't move on with ease to other services.

What does Facebook's motives have to do with anything? The question under discussion is whether a random stranger who can convince one of my friends to sign up for a virtual pet should suddenly be able to spam me. Facebook has good reasons not to open their social graph -- and Google's lecturing them about noblesse oblige on this front is silly. Google should make decisions about its data portability policy based on…

If googles philosophy is data openess they wont close their API, but instead they can warn their users about something that non of them knows.

As for what you say is the question under discussion, as somebody said over here, facebook can perfectly distinguish between a user exporting his contacts and an app trying to scrap personal info. They wont do it because they dont want anybody to export his relationships (in email adresses terms) so that they can rebuild their social graph out of their webpage. Facebooks leverage is users, and that action would make possible for users to migrate.

In any case, facebooks behaviour only damages users ability to control their data (or at least have a backup of it)

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