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Veganism: An Engineer's Perspective

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Re: Veganism: An Engineer's Perspective

#11
First of all, whether something is "sentient" is a bit subjective, and whether eating a sentient being is okay is also quite subjective. If we strike that list item, we are left with the climate change argument.

However, they're also missing a number of other arguments, such as:

- difficulty eating a balanced diet - inconveniencing others (must take into account vegan options when going out to eat with coworkers/clients) - some meat sources don't particularly contribute to climate change (e.g. hunting/fishing on your own)

If your going to try to come up with a deductive argument in support of veganism, you need to take into account all major arguments on all sides of the issue (vegetarianism, piscatarianism, etc).

As such, I'll only accept this argument as a completely subjective argument because the climate change argument (and part of the sentience argument) entirely depends on how you source your meat, leaving the completely subjective sentience argument.

Re: Veganism: An Engineer's Perspective

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> Consuming animal products results in slaughtering ~75 billion sentient farm animals each year I am sympathetic but people do not seem to understand that a huge number of animals – probably many more than this worldwide – are destroyed when fields are plowed.

totally agree! however, we plow fields mostly to feed the animals we eat...

the feed the animals are happy to eat is boring and can grow very densely, the food vegans would like to eat (if a lot of people went vegan) would assuredly not just be corn, or wheat, or legumes.

Re: Veganism: An Engineer's Perspective

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I enjoyed the succinctness of this post. Not sure if I agree that there's amazing vegan cheese though ;)

I'm a big fan of Tree Line and Miyoko's nut cheeses, and Chao fermented tofu cheese slices.

Kite Hill has great cream cheese as well.

Re: Veganism: An Engineer's Perspective

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First of all, whether something is "sentient" is a bit subjective, and whether eating a sentient being is okay is also quite subjective. If we strike that list item, we are left with the climate change argument. However, they're also missing a number of other arguments, such as: - difficulty eating a balanced diet - inconveniencing others (must take into account vegan options when going out to eat with coworkers/clie…

Did you take a look at reference 4-6, particularly #4, and Figure 1 in #4? The animal products we consume are objectively more resource intensive than the non-animal products.

Re: Veganism: An Engineer's Perspective

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

totally agree! however, we plow fields mostly to feed the animals we eat...

the feed the animals are happy to eat is boring and can grow very densely, the food vegans would like to eat (if a lot of people went vegan) would assuredly not just be corn, or wheat, or legumes.

"the food vegans would like to eat": vegan/vegetarians already exist, and we study and analyze their diets when determining crop usage, e.g. see reference #5 in the blog post. Or, my personal favorite: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0594-0

tldr; omni diets consume about an order of magnitude more crops in total, so, you know, more animals die in crop production to eat animals than not eating animals...

oooo, also of interest: we actually eat a very small number of crops, 40 crops make up 90% of the global calorie consumption (see ref #4)

Re: Veganism: An Engineer's Perspective

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The OP quotes a study that says vegans are at least as healthy as other vegetarians. That's not a comparison to meat eaters and not much of an endorsement.

He neglects the recently published study (posted here on HN) that connects vegetarianism with depression and other mental problems.

I hate factory farming, too, and was a vegetarian myself for many years for that reason. But animals can be killed for food without being inhumane. The cure for factory farming is to make it nice for the amimals. Giving up meat to fix factory farming is throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Re: Veganism: An Engineer's Perspective

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As an Engineer that don't know nothing about having a farm.

If we want to keep animals alive, now we don't have other choice that taking care of them (and kill them btw). Animals can't live happy, they will die, no matter what. The sentient logic is stupid. All they wanted is to live, yeah and all I wanted is to live in a good world, without doing stupid works because Engineer take all the good one.

Re: Veganism: An Engineer's Perspective

#20
Engineer's analysis for an engineer's perspective:

- Point 8: this is not sufficient by itself; having a Declaration on Consciousness is not enough without papers and documentation.

- Point 2: correlation doesn't mean cause; vegans tend to have a better food education, but this doesn't prove that veganism == healty.

- Point 3: not sufficient, it doesn't show how human body absorbs and uses those nutrients.

Beyond this, you're missing much more infos, such as documentation about vegan food (lack of?) impact (soy and avocados, for example) and going on.

See you next time.

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