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Which countries are on the right track, according to their citizens

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Re: Which countries are on the right track, according to their citizens

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No surprise that countries with the most oppressive internet surveillance and censorship also rank highly in self reported satisfaction. Chinese citizens probably got a boost to their social credit score for answering positively on this survey. I was just in Beijing and Shanghai for a few weeks and almost everyone I talked to in private admitted that they expect an economic crash in the near future. So this survey is…

Being a tourist is far from being an authority on a culture

Re: Which countries are on the right track, according to their citizens

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No surprise that countries with the most oppressive internet surveillance and censorship also rank highly in self reported satisfaction. Chinese citizens probably got a boost to their social credit score for answering positively on this survey. I was just in Beijing and Shanghai for a few weeks and almost everyone I talked to in private admitted that they expect an economic crash in the near future. So this survey is…

> almost everyone I talked to in private admitted that they expect an economic crash in the near future

That is currently the same in every country I talked to citizens. Not a very good way of measuring.

Your observations about China might very well be correct, but this is not an interesting point imho. When I speak to my friends in China they worry about the economy but they do actually believe their country is going in the right direction generally. Ofcourse my sample of the populous is limited: I speak to tech people only, but they do not care about the things you or I think they care or should care about. They are content with the way it is going.

Re: Which countries are on the right track, according to their citizens

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No surprise that countries with the most oppressive internet surveillance and censorship also rank highly in self reported satisfaction. Chinese citizens probably got a boost to their social credit score for answering positively on this survey. I was just in Beijing and Shanghai for a few weeks and almost everyone I talked to in private admitted that they expect an economic crash in the near future. So this survey is…

> almost everyone I talked to in private admitted that they expect an economic crash in the near future That is currently the same in every country I talked to citizens. Not a very good way of measuring. Your observations about China might very well be correct, but this is not an interesting point imho. When I speak to my friends in China they worry about the economy but they do actually believe their country is goin…

There’s no way you can look at the social credit shit they have going on and say “uh yeah everything looks fine!”

People in cults also say they’re doing fine...

Re: Which countries are on the right track, according to their citizens

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> almost everyone I talked to in private admitted that they expect an economic crash in the near future That is currently the same in every country I talked to citizens. Not a very good way of measuring. Your observations about China might very well be correct, but this is not an interesting point imho. When I speak to my friends in China they worry about the economy but they do actually believe their country is goin…

There’s no way you can look at the social credit shit they have going on and say “uh yeah everything looks fine!” People in cults also say they’re doing fine...

That's the whole point of the survey, as I read it. You can't look at it and say it's fine, but they do. That is important to understand.

As a counterpoint, the US polls the lowest concern in the world for poverty and inequality. Yet there's no way in my mind you can look at inequality in the states and say "yeah, that's fine", but over 4 in 5 Americans polled said exactly that.

Re: Which countries are on the right track, according to their citizens

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> almost everyone I talked to in private admitted that they expect an economic crash in the near future That is currently the same in every country I talked to citizens. Not a very good way of measuring. Your observations about China might very well be correct, but this is not an interesting point imho. When I speak to my friends in China they worry about the economy but they do actually believe their country is goin…

There’s no way you can look at the social credit shit they have going on and say “uh yeah everything looks fine!” People in cults also say they’re doing fine...

> There’s no way you can look at the social credit shit they have going on and say

I am not saying that, people who are born and raised and live there say so (the small sample I speak to a lot). I find it hard to judge as an outsider although it definitely does not look ok.

Re: Which countries are on the right track, according to their citizens

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> „[this study] finds X“ without actual details on its methodology, a study doesn‘t find anything. - how are the surveyed chosen? - how do you make sure they are from the country they claim - what possible answers can they chose from - etc.

Well the local aristocracy, hires some aristocratic researchers - who send their students, who venture out onto the campus to question other young members of the aristocracy.

The real populations thought are only revealed ocassionaly in studies called "elections" in democracies, and most of the times consists of attempts to shake of the local aristocracy in a wild rodeo if they think the countrie is heading into the wrong direction. Seeing that most of the western world is currently in such a wild rodeo motions- you can get great percentages of the plebejans and aristocrats - state in sync that there country is on the wrong track.

Re: Which countries are on the right track, according to their citizens

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> „[this study] finds X“ without actual details on its methodology, a study doesn‘t find anything. - how are the surveyed chosen? - how do you make sure they are from the country they claim - what possible answers can they chose from - etc.

Some methodology in PDF (https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/...)

The survey is conducted monthly in 28 countries around the world via the Ipsos Online Panel system. The countries included are Argentina, Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Chile, China, France, Great Britain, Germany, Hungary, India, Israel, Italy, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, Peru, Poland, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Serbia, South Africa, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, Turkey and the United States of America.

An international sample of 20,787 adults aged 18-64 in Canada, Israel and the US, and aged 16-64 in all other countries, were interviewed between August 24th 2018 and September 7th 2018.

Approximately 1000+ individuals participated on a country by country basis via the Ipsos Online Panel with the exception of Argentina, Belgium, Hungary, India, Israel, Mexico, Peru, Poland, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, South Korea, Sweden and Turkey, where each have a sample of approximately 500+.

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