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Re: PHP Apprentice – An online, open-source book for learning PHP

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Post by Aeolun » Sat, Jan 12, 2019, 10:55 PM UTC

lillesvin wrote: post #69

Aeolun wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be honest, it reads more as someone being salty they don’t understand the point of frameworks.

I think you skimmed the article too quick then because there are plenty of good and well supported arguments in it.

I think I read mostly to the end before giving up on it.

There’s a lot of arguments, I just don’t think they’re particularly good.

Don’t misunderstand me, there is a point there, but it’s buried under a load of text.

Re: PHP Apprentice – An online, open-source book for learning PHP

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Post by mgkimsal » Sun, Jan 13, 2019, 2:21 PM UTC

evunveot wrote: post #61

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can confirm. I've written one site with PDOs and a lot of sites with the old stuff. PDO is definitely a different feel to wrap around, and more resources on it would definitely be good. For what it's worth though, my understanding is mysql_ functions are removed completely as of PHP 7. So that old documentation will just not work, rather than teaching people the least secure option of how to write their website.

You're right, but you can just replace mysql_* with mysqli_* if you're so inclined.

that doesn't work.

mysql_query($sql, $link);

mysqli_query($link, $sql);

Re: PHP Apprentice – An online, open-source book for learning PHP

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Post by DoctorPenguin » Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 12:15 PM UTC

mweibel wrote: post #12

DoctorPenguin wrote: post #10

Why not teach it better? https://glot.io/snippets/f8g0wlar0d No wonder PHP developers have a bad reputation.

I downvoted you because your comment doesn't help anybody and is offensive. Why do you think your example is better?

Because the examples given in this "book" teach a bad coding style and explain nothing in detail. If a trainee only used this to prepare for the final exams and I was to ask a more in depth question he would propably fail.

Example: "Why do you use double quotes everywhere?" Most probable answer: "Because I can use variables and the backslash-n thingies everywhere and its more convinient than using single quotes."

Example: "Why do you use '. "\n";' instead of the PHP_EOL constant?" Most probable answer: "What is PHP_EOL?";

Example: "Why aren't you using namespaces anywhere?" Most probable answer: "What are namespaces?"

Altough this might be a german perspective but I would not hire someone that presents me this kind of code. And for anyone saying "But this is only one book to learn the basics?" why not learn it the right way from the start?

Re: PHP Apprentice – An online, open-source book for learning PHP

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Post by Kaos-Industries » Tue, Jan 22, 2019, 8:13 AM UTC

txsoftwaredev wrote: post #18

Nice job. I would suggest all PHP devs spend some time with https://phptherightway.com . Your resource looks to be a great starting point.

I regularly use bash and I have learnt HTML, CSS and JavaScript in the past. If I had to use only one of these resources - OP's site or PHP the Right Way - which would you recommend I use? To put it some other ways - does OP's site adequately cover best practices? Is PHP the Right Way targeted aimed at fully-fledged programmers who want to pick up PHP?

Thank you in advance, it's much appreciated.

Re: PHP Apprentice – An online, open-source book for learning PHP

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