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> Whether you pay for yourself, or others pay for you, is a binary choice. You're still speaking in terms of our current system being the product of some immutable natural law of the universe. What I am talking about is more fundamental. The very idea of someone "paying for you" is built on the premise that some group of people is entitled to own and control such vast quantities of the planet's resources that they en…
> You're still speaking in terms of our current system being the product of some immutable natural law of the universe. That's because it is . Perhaps the prevailing mechanism of transfer (money) artificial, but what it represents is a fundamental law of nature. Money is simply a representation of time and/or energy and/or physical resources: all fundamentals of nature. > ...it's even more so [asinine] when you add t…
What fundamental law is that? The one that governs kill-or-be-killed among animals on the African plains? I'm pretty sure we've evolved beyond that in other ways. And, most find this evolution generally desirable.
>Hauling water back from a water source every day? Hunting? Tending to goats? Farming?
Do you seriously believe these are our only options: laissez-faire (worse, captured) capitalism or goat-tending?
>Nobody is entitled to "live" with no exchange of time/energy/resources. We only do so under certain circumstances because humans are, fortunately, somewhat altruistic.
? It's fortunate that we're altruistic. It's a good thing, really, to help people--as long as those rotten, dirty, free-loading, good-for-nothings don't expect it.
Good grief.
>You're not entitled to it. Nobody is.
Not entitled to life? We owe someone else and the only form of payment for most is to produce wealth for others? There's no other way to organize an over-abundance of basic, life-sustaining resources for the common good?
>Nobody is entitled to "live" with no exchange of time/energy/resources.
This is just begging the question. You believe that statement only because of the current order.
Likewise all of your comments about "ownership" and "someone else's resources". You start with the current order, then defend it, essentially with "because it is". Beyond that, you present all choices as binary. It's either we do exactly what we're doing now or tend goats.
>at which point a simple math problem would show that redistributing that wealth fairly (read: to everyone, equally in the entire world)
Who suggested this? What "wealth" are you even talking about? The idea of wealth you're referencing is also rooted in the current system. People can't break their minds out of this box. I've only mentioned basic resources for subsistence.
>we'll all start from scratch, again... That doesn't seem fair to anybody....
No one's advocating that. I don't understand these false choices. You lay out all of this rationale for the status quo, then pin its justification on wholly ridiculous alternatives.