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Startups Rejecting Venture Capital

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Re: Startups Rejecting Venture Capital

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Precisely. A senior engineer can certainly hope to make $400k or more per year for good performance. Not just in FAANG either - plenty of other profitable businesses are competing for the same grade of talent and thus pay in the same range. Only a handful of almost surefire unicorns can reasonably come anywhere near matching that, and that only in the eventuality that they don't pull a Zenefits and leave you hundreds…

> "hope to make 400k" Even with 10-20 years of experience in the bay area at small, medium, large size software companies, I've never ever made anything close to that amount.

FAANG and other large, profitable companies like Microsoft will pay you that.

Re: Startups Rejecting Venture Capital

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Good for them. I'm not going to pretend I'm actually in a place where I even have the ability to make the choice that these founders made, but I've been reflecting deeply on whether I will seek VC support in the future, and I'm pretty set against it. At least I'm set against any VC's based in SV.

I don't think they're bad people or anything, and even quite like some individuals who work for VCs. But the way they operate, seems to perpetuate monoculture and wealth inequality. I know first-hand there are brilliant, ambitious people outside of the SV/NYC bubble, and I don't think VCs really give any care about those people besides perhaps offering to pay to relocate them. As a result, the mindset of these VC people is increasingly isolated from the nation and world as a whole. I've read so many stories about how they are encouraging diversity by funding immigrants who went to Stanford, as if race/sex/nationality is the whole picture. Where are the founders who grew up in trailer parks or projects? Who speak with a noticeable apppalachian, southern, or AAVE accent? Who worked their butts off in the military and community colleges/state colleges, because those are actually the most accessible doors to learning for Americans not from privileged backgrounds? Where are the people who want to build things, but value their family, extended families, local and religious communities more than the promise of extreme wealth in in a few select cities?

Those people are out there, and they are capable and ready. I know it's still just talk, but very soon, I'm going to put my money and my body where my mouth is and return to NC. I'm going to build things with those people. If by good fortune we see success - the money won't go towards making rich californians richer.

Re: Startups Rejecting Venture Capital

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Precisely. A senior engineer can certainly hope to make $400k or more per year for good performance. Not just in FAANG either - plenty of other profitable businesses are competing for the same grade of talent and thus pay in the same range. Only a handful of almost surefire unicorns can reasonably come anywhere near matching that, and that only in the eventuality that they don't pull a Zenefits and leave you hundreds…

> "hope to make 400k" Even with 10-20 years of experience in the bay area at small, medium, large size software companies, I've never ever made anything close to that amount.

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Re: Startups Rejecting Venture Capital

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This might be an unpopular opinion, but my view of VC money has changed significantly in the last couple years. Raising money is a failure mode. If you are raising money it is because you failed at something and you need the money to catch yourself. This is more true for software companies than, say hardware companies, but I think is still generally true. For example, if you are raising because you need to hire peopl…

How do you even get something cofounded if you have no money? Is it failure mode to have an idea and be poor? Not everyone can afford to take zero pay until their product gets to market and starts generating returns, you still have to feed and shelter yourself and your cofounders which is very costly.

Re: Startups Rejecting Venture Capital

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Caveat: I'm a VC, so I definitely have a horse in this race. A few misc comments: - VC is not for every company. Most VCs will be the first to tell you that: if you're not trying to build for a specific type/size of outcome, then VC funding is going to suck for you, and it's going to suck for the VC. It's not at all in a VC's best interest to invest in a company that has no desire to fit the VC model. - I think the V…

What's the smallest annual net income target (say, within 10 years) for a company that you would suggest VC is a good fit for?

Re: Startups Rejecting Venture Capital

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Maybe this is hopelessly naive or dumb legally difficult, but I wonder if a VC might have a slight advantage by offering funded companies a portion of the fund itself. They might be more enticing to founders. Of course there's still some severe disadvantage for employees. I'm thinking about a Planet Money episode that discusses big-time poker folks, and they frequently trade percentages of their winnings such that if…

But that's a deal a VC wouldn't make in the first place.

I could see that, but couldn't it give a lesser-known or less desirable VC an edge?

Re: Startups Rejecting Venture Capital

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I think I'm very entrepreneurial. "wear as many different hats as required to make it work", this is basically what I do for my side projects. I write both the web frontend (vue) and backend (in c++), do devops, content marketing, whereas my day job is device driver development.

> Backend in C++ Why? Is that simply because you are more familiar with the language or does the project actually require the raw power of Cpp?

1. manage the cost. I fund my project out of my pocket. knowing how expensive AWS could be (through my day job), I'd keep my code efficient.

2. yes, familiarity.

Re: Startups Rejecting Venture Capital

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Precisely. A senior engineer can certainly hope to make $400k or more per year for good performance. Not just in FAANG either - plenty of other profitable businesses are competing for the same grade of talent and thus pay in the same range. Only a handful of almost surefire unicorns can reasonably come anywhere near matching that, and that only in the eventuality that they don't pull a Zenefits and leave you hundreds…

> "hope to make 400k" Even with 10-20 years of experience in the bay area at small, medium, large size software companies, I've never ever made anything close to that amount.

don't listen to them, the FAANG pay thing is only for select few and is obviously a bubble waiting to pop

Re: Startups Rejecting Venture Capital

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Most heavily-VC funded companies die Young, even if they make it to IPO, like SGI (now reconstituted as NVidia). VCs don't care about companies, they want to make a quick buck and get out. Most successful startups are self funded for most of their life, e.g Microsoft, Dell, Google, Amazon.

Microsoft, Google and Amazon took vc. Seems Dell may not have, according to a brief glance at wikipedia

Dell may have been a dorm room startup, but VC influences exists even in it's first early years from Lee Walker who I don't believe was just a simple salaried employee but must have invested some of his own money for equity, and it had meteoric growth in the first few years from dorm room project to full fledged multinational company with a very quick IPO.

Re: Startups Rejecting Venture Capital

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post #108

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All the startup employees I've talked to work 80 hours a week. Why is robots so important to you that you're willing to accomplish absolutely nothing in at least a few of the important areas of your life such as health and fitness, friendships, romantic relationships, extraneous interests, relaxation, or family?

there are 2 kinds of engineers, one kind sent rockets and recollected them, made robots run and jump. The other kind, shrank blog posts to 140 characters, or added a timeout to short messages, removed the thumb down button, and called them a new feature. Today, we still remember the names of da Vinci, Tesla, Turing, not because they had a successful family ... I just want to keep the dream I had as a kid.

It's not for everyone, but it sounds like you know what you want, and you are in the position to do it. Go for it!
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