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Google Demanded T-Mobile, Sprint Not Sell Google Fi Customers' Location Data

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Re: Google Demanded T-Mobile, Sprint Not Sell Google Fi Customers' Location Data

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I mean sure. Google certainly doesn't want wireless carriers to compete with them in advertising, and everyone having access to location data from smartphones just devalues Google's own access. https://qz.com/1131515/google-collects-android-users-locatio...

Yep I was just going to say this. Google already sells your location data to advertisers, they are not the hero in this story.

Google uses that information to serve ads but they don't sell the location data to advertisers.

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I mean sure. Google certainly doesn't want wireless carriers to compete with them in advertising, and everyone having access to location data from smartphones just devalues Google's own access. https://qz.com/1131515/google-collects-android-users-locatio...

While I understand the sentiment of this comment, isn't it still a good thing to reduce the number of companies with this data? As the companies that track your location goes down, it becomes easier to argue against the other ones doing it. Plus in the very least less places that could leak the data, so it would still be some form of progress.

>isn't it still a good thing to reduce the number of companies with this data?

Maybe you want multiple companies competing in the same realm rather than Google handling most of the private data and becoming incredibly powerful. Maybe you want to unmask Google's motives so as to not play into their PR strategy.

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Citation needed. Google makes it pretty clear that they do not sell any personal information to advertisers: https://safety.google/privacy/ads-and-data/

But they do. They let them target ads based on your location. It's the same thing as selling personal data. If someone clicks a location targeted ad the advertiser know the persons location. https://support.google.com/google-ads/answer/1722043?hl=en "Google Ads location targeting allows your ads to appear in the geographic locations that you choose: countries, areas within a country, a radius around a location , or l…

Letting someone target you with their ad based on your location is not the same thing as from telling them where you are

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Dragonfly.

Google employees risked their jobs to protest against Dragonfly.

people with perhaps the highest demand for their labor than any other professionals risked their cushy jobs to influence their company to not be complicit in the censorship of over a billion people with a regime that has committed genocide? that's superhuman dedication right there, good job Google superheroes

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But they do. They let them target ads based on your location. It's the same thing as selling personal data. If someone clicks a location targeted ad the advertiser know the persons location. https://support.google.com/google-ads/answer/1722043?hl=en "Google Ads location targeting allows your ads to appear in the geographic locations that you choose: countries, areas within a country, a radius around a location , or l…

Letting someone target you with their ad based on your location is not the same thing as from telling them where you are

Or telling them who you are. Google knows, but AFAIK they don't pass that along to the advertiser.

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I mean sure. Google certainly doesn't want wireless carriers to compete with them in advertising, and everyone having access to location data from smartphones just devalues Google's own access. https://qz.com/1131515/google-collects-android-users-locatio...

Well, kinda but there's some definite shades of gray here.

EDIT - for example I'm not sure the original "Bounty hunters" use case would be facilitated by Google's targeted ads. There's a big gap between "I might be able to target ads at people in a narrow geographical area" and "I can find our where someone lives"

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Citation needed. Google makes it pretty clear that they do not sell any personal information to advertisers: https://safety.google/privacy/ads-and-data/

> Google makes it pretty clear that they do not sell any personal information to advertisers Facebook’s used that like, too.

Facebook also doesn't sell personal information to advertisers. Both Facebook and Google let advertisers target ads based on location and other personal info, which is not the same thing as actually providing that information to third parties.

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Citation needed. Google makes it pretty clear that they do not sell any personal information to advertisers: https://safety.google/privacy/ads-and-data/

But they do. They let them target ads based on your location. It's the same thing as selling personal data. If someone clicks a location targeted ad the advertiser know the persons location. https://support.google.com/google-ads/answer/1722043?hl=en "Google Ads location targeting allows your ads to appear in the geographic locations that you choose: countries, areas within a country, a radius around a location , or l…

How do I use Google Ads to send a tow truck driver to repossess a car when the debtor gets home?

That’s what the phone carrier is doing.

They monetize location, but from my perspective they do so in a way that’s more respectful of the person, because it’s in their interest to do so.

The carriers just sell data points and lack the ability or desire to add value to them.

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Yep I was just going to say this. Google already sells your location data to advertisers, they are not the hero in this story.

Citation needed. Google makes it pretty clear that they do not sell any personal information to advertisers: https://safety.google/privacy/ads-and-data/

Yes which is also in their interest because once personal information is sold someone else can use it without going through Google. And they benefit by having more personal information than anyone else. Instead they sell access to advertising on very personal information to you via them as a proxy. I don't see that being that much better and it is almost impossible to avoid. Which is why Google is worried if the government starts cracking down further on this it will hit them too. I don't want Google selling any information about my location or carriers as well directly or indirectly

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As shrewd and cynical as this move is, it is good. With Google you at least have some options for how much you want them to know about your location (even if they rely on dark patterns still to trick average people into reenabling it)
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