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Yellow vests knock out 60% of all speed cameras in France

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Re: Yellow vests knock out 60% of all speed cameras in France

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Post by Balero »

suvelx wrote: post #73
rikkus wrote: post #43

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They used to be positioned like this in the UK but all the ones I’ve seen like this have been removed or moved over the years to places where they could be regarded as more for safety than easy money making.

This was intentional, the chief of police wanted to stop them being used as revenue generation, and actually used as a safety device. As such, they're now bright yellow.

They also have abundant signs pointing to where they are. I even saw one that had a blue flashing light on top, with a large speed limit sign next to it.

If you get caught by that, you really need to pay more attention.

Re: Yellow vests knock out 60% of all speed cameras in France

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Post by seszett »

cm2187 wrote: post #107
coldtea wrote: post #85

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> Welcome to civil non-compliance 2.0: vandalism as a form of protest. So now taxes perceived as unjust warrant the destruction of state property in retaliation. A proud history of civil non-compliance, from the French Revolution, 1848, and the Commune to May 68, is what made France what it is, and helped usher us into the modern freedoms and rights.

I don't think many french are proud of the commune, outside of the far left. Even the 1789 French revolution was a bloodshed that resulted into a even tougher dictatorship (the First Empire)...

Most people might not have an especially good view of the Commune (though it's more widespread than just the far left) but virtually nobody sees the First Empire as "a tough dictatorship".

The bloodshed of the revolution and the Empire are seen as necessary evils at worst.

Re: Yellow vests knock out 60% of all speed cameras in France

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Post by ammojamo »

jaziek wrote: post #114
ammojamo wrote: post #105

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> We need car control every bit as much as gun control, and speed cameras are a big part of that. People die when drivers are left unchecked. Disproportionately, it's people not inside cars. I agree completely. To be honest, from a safety perspective, I would be happy if speed cameras were integrated with street lighting so that basically every stretch of road was covered by speed cameras. That said, I think that pen…

Is that not the way it works in the states? That's how it is in England. 3 points for a speeding offence. 12 points and you lose your license for 6 months. Points take 3 years to disappear from your license. You also get fined up to 75% of your weekly income, based on how much over the limit you were going, and there are some hard limits (100 mph?) which result in an instant loss of license. It seems sensible. I agre…

Not sure about the states but here in Australia it works basically as you have described - but there is also a very expensive (in my opinion) fine for each speeding offense, and this is not scaled according to income.

Re: Yellow vests knock out 60% of all speed cameras in France

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Post by adrianN »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #82
TomK32 wrote: post #70

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Those are also the places where you find those little crosses and similar markers at the side. The deadliest stretches of road are the most remote ones which are mistaken for race tracks...

> Those are also the places where you find those little crosses and similar markers at the side. Usually next to a tree. I would prefer them to be used to prevent kids from being killed rather than to prevent some idiot from auto-darwinating himself.

They're not fantastically expensive devices. We can have enough of them to protect children and idiots.

Re: Yellow vests knock out 60% of all speed cameras in France

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Post by coldtea »

seszett wrote: post #108
coldtea wrote: post #78

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How can anyone say this seriously? This is the stupidest thing I keep hearing from certain people. The idea is to make money for the police department and the municipality. https://www.leg33.com/maryland-speed-camera-fraud/ https://steemit.com/technology/@doitvoluntarily/are-traffic-... http://time.com/3505994/red-light-camera-problems-tickets/ https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/617207/Speed-cameras-safet... https://w…

French speedcam fines don't go to the police department or the municipality, they go to the interior ministry and mostly fund infrastructure maintenance (including the speedcams themselves).

>(including the speedcams themselves).

So they fines are a feedback-style job security enabler for the people at the department responsible for the speedcams.

Re: Yellow vests knock out 60% of all speed cameras in France

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Post by mnx »

TomMarius wrote: post #79
gambiting wrote: post #48

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So what do you propose? That we punish people who put others in danger less because they are poor? Someone moving at 100km/h through a city isn't any less likely to kill someone when hit just because they are poor. They aren't any less of a danger just because they have a family that depends on them. Someone they hit won't be any less dead because the driver has 5 children and mountains of debt.

> Someone moving at 100km/h through a city isn't any less likely to kill someone when hit just because they are poor. Actually we could argue that it's more likely due to the poor average condition and old age of their cars. A new Mercedes brakes much better than a 20 year old Skoda and usually has auto-braking systems and braking force enhancers. However "going through a city" is very general. There are several actu…

That speed limit might be more noise related. So the harm is much different, but the victims are people living nearby.

Re: Yellow vests knock out 60% of all speed cameras in France

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Post by Reelin »

megaremote wrote: post #62
Bayart wrote: post #27

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They're not located at areas where lower speeds would improve safety, they're located at areas where they make the most money. At least that's how people feel. I'm personally generally dubious on speed limit based policies.

Rubbish. This is just a complete lie, spread by people not wanting to drive safely. It is up there with speed doesn't kill, and I drive better when I have had a few drinks.

Nice one, trying to discredit your opponent by claiming they don't want to drive safely instead of actually responding to their (IMO legitimate) complaint.

I imagine it depends on the jurisdiction, but personally I don't recall ever seeing a speed camera next to a school, near a city park, or across from a row of dense apartment buildings. Instead they always seem to be in fairly irrelevant places such as along highways where you cross from one jurisdiction into another. I'm sure that has absolutely nothing to do with revenue though.

Re: Yellow vests knock out 60% of all speed cameras in France

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Post by arkh »

PunchTornado wrote: post #111
arkh wrote: post #39

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The Montpellier area : 2x3 ways limited to 110km/h + 2x3 ways limited to 90 km/h. Road in perfect state. So let's put an average speed radar system.

are you a road engineer? a safety specialist? have access to the stats of the area? know that ppl didn't complain for noise?

No stats: it's 1 year old.

For the noise complaints, enjoy the view from the A9 and A709: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Montpellier/@43.5591054,3....

Re: Yellow vests knock out 60% of all speed cameras in France

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Post by seszett »

toolslive wrote: post #119
seszett wrote: post #102

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Everyone is speeding everywhere in Belgium. We also get a lot more casualties (by inhabitant, by vehicle, by kilometer, any metric you take) than France. France has about 30% less deaths than Belgium, and gives right of way to people coming from the right. The road rules are almost exactly the same between the two countries. If anything, I think it just shows that speed limits are not enforced well enough (and I thin…

mind there's a significant difference between Wallonia and Flanders. (see article below, in Dutch) https://www.knack.be/nieuws/belgie/aantal-verkeersdoden-daal...

That's to be expected given the large difference between the regions, but the comparison still hold if you compare the more urbanised Nord département to Flanders. Nord is on paar with Noord-Brabant however, on the other side of Flanders.

IMO there is no question that Flemish roads (I don't know Wallonia much) are less safe than French roads.

Eurostat shows that quite well: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/RCI/#?vis=nuts1.transpor...

Re: Yellow vests knock out 60% of all speed cameras in France

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Post by seszett »

coldtea wrote: post #125
seszett wrote: post #108

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French speedcam fines don't go to the police department or the municipality, they go to the interior ministry and mostly fund infrastructure maintenance (including the speedcams themselves).

> (including the speedcams themselves). So they fines are a feedback-style job security enabler for the people at the department responsible for the speedcams.

Or you can see them as security measures that only cost money to those who break the rules, meaning they are essentially free to law-abiding citizens.
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