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So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Post by waddlesplash »

jwr wrote: post #48

I so wish the Linux community would get its act together and implement a working usable clipboard. It's the one thing I miss the most whenever I switch from Mac OS to Linux. On a Mac, you can cut/copy/paste using predictable keystrokes in any application, anywhere. And there is a single clipboard. On Linux, you have to deal with a multitude of behaviors (middle mouse button, Ctrl-C, others, and does it paste where th…

Haiku uses home/end to jump to beginning/end of line like Windows/Linux does, but you can rebind those keys.

There is also only one clipboard, and none of the "primary paste buffer / selection buffer / etc." nonsense, either.

So ... the dream is alive on Haiku, anyway. :)

Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Post by waddlesplash »

ptero wrote: post #136
jwr wrote: post #48

I so wish the Linux community would get its act together and implement a working usable clipboard. It's the one thing I miss the most whenever I switch from Mac OS to Linux. On a Mac, you can cut/copy/paste using predictable keystrokes in any application, anywhere. And there is a single clipboard. On Linux, you have to deal with a multitude of behaviors (middle mouse button, Ctrl-C, others, and does it paste where th…

Just as a nitpick: communities can (almost) never "get its act together", as they are comprised of people with different preferences who do not want to abandon their preferences for some abstract common good. On a more substantive note (globally consistent actions from keystrokes). It would be great, but not going to happen because there are established modes where the same keystrokes lead to well known results. And…

> Just as a nitpick: communities can (almost) never "get its act together", as they are comprised of people with different preferences who do not want to abandon their preferences for some abstract common good.

That seems to be a defining characteristic of Linux communities, anyway. Not sure how you can say "all" communities are like that.

> Example: Ctrl-Z. In a terminal, it suspends a process. In most GUI editors it performs undo. Shall we force a global standard?

Haiku uses Alt instead of Ctrl for shortcuts (similar to macOS and the Cmd key), so Alt+Z does undo and Ctrl+Z suspends a process, both in the Terminal. (If you want to use Windows-style keybindings, then it's the reverse, of course.)

Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Post by dredmorbius »

rezeroed wrote: post #279
noahadavis wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It won't happen because Linux users like it the way it is. It is consistent, it's just not the way you want it to be. I love middle click paste. It makes sense that it doesn't follow the text cursor because the mouse is separate and this adds extra flexibility. Ctrl+A should select everything and put the cursor at the end. Actually, in some apps the cursor disappears and in some the cursor goes to the end, but the be…

What's a "middle click"?

Assumes a three-button mouse:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/513VKV7DZBL.gif

Usually a scroll wheel, now.

Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Post by jwr »

thomastjeffery wrote: post #244
jwr wrote: post #48

I so wish the Linux community would get its act together and implement a working usable clipboard. It's the one thing I miss the most whenever I switch from Mac OS to Linux. On a Mac, you can cut/copy/paste using predictable keystrokes in any application, anywhere. And there is a single clipboard. On Linux, you have to deal with a multitude of behaviors (middle mouse button, Ctrl-C, others, and does it paste where th…

I suppose you could use your window manager to bind super+[xcv] to your favorite clipboard program. Personally, I love that all the software I have used in Linux does nothing to encroach on my super+* keybindings. I also love having a secondary clipboard that feels more permanent (ctrl+xcv), while having a quick and dirty one (select middle-click)

Oh, don't even get me started on keybindings. There isn't even a good way of setting them up anymore, because there are multiple layers and systems that deal with keyboard events. It used to be that you could get reasonably far with xmodmap, but that is no longer true. And good luck trying to get expansion functionality (e.g. a keystroke that generates several keystrokes).

Also, some context before I get flamed for being a newbie: I've used Linux since before 1.0 (that's 1993). My usual working keyboard setup pretty much requires a Super key and a Hyper is quite helpful, too.

Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Post by pseudalopex »

doubleunplussed wrote: post #369
atombender wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course — the same can be said for terminal programs or Windows apps run via virtualization. Those are not "Mac apps".

But at this point the situation is the same as on linux. I've never encountered anything on linux that didn't use ctrl-c for copy other than terminal apps.

The situation on macOS is that you can copy text from Terminal the same way you copy text from Safari. You can edit text in iTunes the same way you edit text in your shell.

Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Post by colvasaur »

jwr wrote: post #48

I so wish the Linux community would get its act together and implement a working usable clipboard. It's the one thing I miss the most whenever I switch from Mac OS to Linux. On a Mac, you can cut/copy/paste using predictable keystrokes in any application, anywhere. And there is a single clipboard. On Linux, you have to deal with a multitude of behaviors (middle mouse button, Ctrl-C, others, and does it paste where th…

I used to be irritated by middle-click paste as well. That stopped when I had someone explain it to me as follows:

> It’s just another clipboard. One clipboard is interfaced via the keyboard. One clipboard is interfaced via the mouse.

Perhaps that’s common knowledge, but that understanding made me instantly fall in love with middle-click paste.

In most terminal emulators, Ctrl-C deviates from normal behavior in favor of sending SIGINT. However, some terminal emulators (e.g. the one in elementary OS) makes the simple decision that if text is highlighted, copy it. Otherwise, send SIGINT. That closes all loose ends for me.

Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Post by pseudalopex »

dgzl wrote: post #372
jwr wrote: post #48

I so wish the Linux community would get its act together and implement a working usable clipboard. It's the one thing I miss the most whenever I switch from Mac OS to Linux. On a Mac, you can cut/copy/paste using predictable keystrokes in any application, anywhere. And there is a single clipboard. On Linux, you have to deal with a multitude of behaviors (middle mouse button, Ctrl-C, others, and does it paste where th…

> I so wish the Linux community would get its act together and implement a.... The Linux communities are full of volunteers. It seems like their act is actually quite together! There is no 'buyer' to make demands with their dollar. Only there is a developer who one day decides they want a feature.

The Linux community also includes Red Hat and Canonical.

Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Post by pseudalopex »

ptero wrote: post #136
jwr wrote: post #48

I so wish the Linux community would get its act together and implement a working usable clipboard. It's the one thing I miss the most whenever I switch from Mac OS to Linux. On a Mac, you can cut/copy/paste using predictable keystrokes in any application, anywhere. And there is a single clipboard. On Linux, you have to deal with a multitude of behaviors (middle mouse button, Ctrl-C, others, and does it paste where th…

Just as a nitpick: communities can (almost) never "get its act together", as they are comprised of people with different preferences who do not want to abandon their preferences for some abstract common good. On a more substantive note (globally consistent actions from keystrokes). It would be great, but not going to happen because there are established modes where the same keystrokes lead to well known results. And…

They said text input, not process control.

It would be nice to have a universal "pause" shortcut in GUI apps. Why would it instantly hide the app?

Would you pay to watch someone kill a process when they meant to copy text?

Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Post by pseudalopex »

kps wrote: post #381
swiftcoder wrote: post #365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How hard would it be to adapt a linux distro to have separate keys for control/command (a la MacOS). This is my single biggest blocker against using Linux as my daily driver - not having consistent keybaord shortcuts that avoid collision with terminal interrupts.

I think a KDE-based system could do it with modest effort. There's a flag deep in QT somewhere, enabled on Mac builds, that makes all the ‘Ctrl’ shortcuts default to ‘Command’ instead, and it would go a long way if that were a user-selectable option.

GTK uses CSS files. It even has files for Emacs and macOS shortcuts.

Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Post by pseudalopex »

Klonoar wrote: post #474
amaccuish wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since Mojave, MacOS nolonger does subpixel rendering. https://mjtsai.com/blog/2018/07/13/macos-10-14-mojave-remove...

On non-retina displays, which... is nowhere near the normal use case for Macs at this point.

On all displays. It matters less on Retina displays.

External displays are nowhere near the normal use case?

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