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Re: How much Americans make in wages

#101
>There is one important caveat to keep in mind when thinking about our dataset. The SSA numbers include any wage earners whatsoever, even part-time workers like students and teenagers. This drags down the aggregate wage numbers for full-time working adults, which reach $61,372 for households last year.

So...what do the statistics look like if we remove part time teenagers and students? I suspect much less attention grabbing than the headline.

Re: How much Americans make in wages

#102

>48% of wage earners had net compensation less than or equal to the median wage Isn't that how math works?

Definitely a weird thing to highlight as a "surprise" but also not quite right, since it should be exactly half... and also that portion of the pie should be a semicircle (around 180 degrees even if it's 48%)... but it's significantly smaller than that somehow?

Re: How much Americans make in wages

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>There is one important caveat to keep in mind when thinking about our dataset. The SSA numbers include any wage earners whatsoever, even part-time workers like students and teenagers. not leading with this feels like poor reporting

They also use the term “earn” but the numbers they are throwing around are entirely after-tax. That’s not even poor reporting. That’s intentionally misleading. No one thinks that money paid to the government in the form for tax is unearned by the individual.

Plus after tax can mean after one puts money into health coverage, retirement, a college fund, etc. That figure is much less scary as take-home than gross salary.

Re: How much Americans make in wages

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, do you subsidize your siblings? I'm going to be in the same situation and I'm not sure what I'm going to end up doing but I think I'm going to end up doing it.

Don’t you think they migh become codependent? I’d lead them in the right direction, give them advice, etc., but not subsidize, unless they are truly out in the streets. I can see if it’s your little brother or little sister and helping out with some tuition though. Also hand-me-downs are okay.

"Codependent" means two people are dependent on each other. The word you're looking for is "dependent".

Re: How much Americans make in wages

#105
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's easy to find decent living on $60k in DAL, HOU, CHI, and MIA if you're willing to go out to the suburbs where, guess what, tons of people live.

Even if there are millions of people (out of the 7m in Dallas) who are supposedly prospering on Texas' favorable housing/gas/income tax situation, this statistically is not the case in higher tax locations, such as the entire Northeast USA, Chicago, and all of California. Believe me, I want all of us to be like Texas.

Taxation by the states is not people’s problems in the Northeast and “Northeast” contains a lot of variance in cost of living and economic outlook.

Re: How much Americans make in wages

#106
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, do you subsidize your siblings? I'm going to be in the same situation and I'm not sure what I'm going to end up doing but I think I'm going to end up doing it.

Yeah, moderately. This year I gave about $7k to each sibling which is life-changing for them and not really a hardship for me other than slightly delaying my home-ownership goal. For one sibling, I'm the safety net when crises happen that they can't afford. E.g. can't come up with their car insurance deductible, water heater broke, etc. They don't ask but I always offer when it's clear that a small outlay would spare…

> keep money and family separate". That is a very privileged attitude. It's very hard to enjoy money when people you love...

It’s also privileged to assume family = people you love. My relatives are OK. Some are nice people but I have no interest in them for the most part. Just because we’re related doesn’t carry any obligation to love them or do anything for them.

Re: How much Americans make in wages

#107

I feel this a lot in my own family. I’m in tech at a fairly privileged BigCo. Siblings work retail gigs for a small fraction of what I bring home. I’ve had raises and bonuses equal to what one of my siblings makes in a year.

"The authors write that "the incomes of the top 1% collectively made up 11% of national income in 1980, but now constitute above 20% of national income, while the 20% of US national income that was attributable to the bottom 50% in 1980 has fallen to just 12% today. Further, "while average pre-tax income for the bottom 50% has stagnated at around $16,000 since 1980, the top 1% has experienced 300% growth in their inc…

These numbers are all I need to know to realize that something is going wrong with our economy. It's fine that some people make more than others but it's bad that the balance shifts more and more to the top.

Re: How much Americans make in wages

#108
If $30,000 per year is "substandard" then the rest of the developed world must be positively impoverished: https://mises.org/wire/when-it-comes-household-income-sweden.... There's a very legitimate criticism to be made about the plight of the poor in the U.S. But the U.S. middle class has it better than almost everyone else in the world. They make a lot more money than in Europe, and pay far less taxes. (Indeed, the poor in the U.S. are so bad off precisely because the middle class pays far less taxes compared to their European counterparts. The difference between Trump's tax code and Sweden's is not corporate tax rates, but individual tax rates, particularly for people outside the top 1%.)

In reality, $30,000 is a pretty decent income for a young single person in Atlanta, where a 1BR apartment near a subway stop can be had well under $1,000. It's tough for someone trying to support a family of four, but by and large those people don't make $30,000. The median income for people 35+ is $50,000. And the median household income of a married couple with kids is $85,000.

There is also the fact that, even if there were zero income inequality (everybody got paid the same), the median income would be about $50,000 (13 trillion in personal income divided by about 250 million working-age people).

Re: How much Americans make in wages

#109
This is chart junk. The issue raised in the opening paragraph is a change in wages. Therefore it should be represented as a time-series chart (line, bar, etc...). This is a static view. The different categories are nestled together in a way that obscures their relationship to their neighbors. The income groups are not categorical groups they're subranges. They should be next to each other in a progression. This graphic is confusing and unhelpful.

This probably could have been done well with a steam graph. Maybe a slope graph. I'd have to see the data and it depends on what they're really trying to show.

Re: How much Americans make in wages

#110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if there are millions of people (out of the 7m in Dallas) who are supposedly prospering on Texas' favorable housing/gas/income tax situation, this statistically is not the case in higher tax locations, such as the entire Northeast USA, Chicago, and all of California. Believe me, I want all of us to be like Texas.

Taxation by the states is not people’s problems in the Northeast and “Northeast” contains a lot of variance in cost of living and economic outlook.

How can you possibly assert this when property taxes in the Tri-State (23 million people) are often $10,000 a year per house, and income is taxed at 5-9% compared to Texas which is 0.

The price of rent/mortgage is directly affected by property tax.

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