Facebook Slaps Google: “Openness Doesn’t Mean Being Open When It’s Convenient”
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Re: Facebook Slaps Google: “Openness Doesn’t Mean Being Open When It’s Convenient”
#2You mean Facebook, the company that has had a pretty rough PR year thanks to its deceptive privacy policies and practices?
Re: Facebook Slaps Google: “Openness Doesn’t Mean Being Open When It’s Convenient”
#3Openness also doesn't mean being a sucker. Share and share-alike provides an optimal solution to the iterated prisoner's dilemma of openness.
Re: Facebook Slaps Google: “Openness Doesn’t Mean Being Open When It’s Convenient”
#4I cannot think of a less appropriate organization to declare this exact criticism.
Re: Facebook Slaps Google: “Openness Doesn’t Mean Being Open When It’s Convenient”
#5You mean Facebook, the company that has had a pretty rough PR year thanks to its deceptive privacy policies and practices?
Hey, a failure to respect privacy is just direct evidence of openness, right?
(Disclaimer. I may be biased by working for Google. But I'm also not opposed to switching from a BSD to GPL strategy to encourage freedom.)
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#6It's interesting how noone wants to actually respond to the arguments that Mike Vernal is making, instead resorting to the equivalent of "Facebook is evil, how dare they say they aren't!".
Re: Facebook Slaps Google: “Openness Doesn’t Mean Being Open When It’s Convenient”
#7Would anybody like to actually read the words, understand them, and engage with the argument they contain, rather than snark about how FB == teh hatez? The meat of it is:
"Each person owns her friends list, but not her friends’ information. A person has no more right to mass export all of her friends’ private email addresses than she does to mass export all of her friends’ private photo albums.
Email is different from social networking because in an email application, each person maintains and owns their own address book, whereas in a social network your friends maintain their information and you just maintain a list of friends. Because of this, we think it makes sense for email applications to export email addresses and for social networks to export friend lists.
Facebook Platform and the Graph API enable everyone to bring their own information to millions of sites and applications, including even Google’s YouTube."
Re: Facebook Slaps Google: “Openness Doesn’t Mean Being Open When It’s Convenient”
#8Would anybody like to actually read the words, understand them, and engage with the argument they contain, rather than snark about how FB == teh hatez? The meat of it is: "Each person owns her friends list, but not her friends’ information. A person has no more right to mass export all of her friends’ private email addresses than she does to mass export all of her friends’ private photo albums. Email is different fro…
He is talking out of both sides of his mouth though.
If Facebook exports a list of friends, what do you get? A list of names with no links? That isn't really useful. You either need email addresses or Facebook profile URLs to actually make a graph. What if your list is Billy Bob, Joe Smith, John Doe, and Mike Collins. How many of those are there are facebook? Dozens? Hundreds? It is meaningless.
If Facebook exports a list of all of the friends' Facebook profile URLs, that is a step in the right direction.
Re: Facebook Slaps Google: “Openness Doesn’t Mean Being Open When It’s Convenient”
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Re: Facebook Slaps Google: “Openness Doesn’t Mean Being Open When It’s Convenient”
#10Would anybody like to actually read the words, understand them, and engage with the argument they contain, rather than snark about how FB == teh hatez? The meat of it is: "Each person owns her friends list, but not her friends’ information. A person has no more right to mass export all of her friends’ private email addresses than she does to mass export all of her friends’ private photo albums. Email is different fro…
Sure, why not.
> Email is different from social networking because in an email application, each person maintains and owns their own address book, whereas in a social network your friends maintain their information and you just maintain a list of friends.
1) People are automatically added to my address book as soon as they email me. Maybe not my "personal" address book or whatever, but their address has been recorded regardless. This is not something I have to maintain, it happens as soon as you contact me.
2) If I change my primary email address I need to send out a blast mail to everyone who I might care to have my new address. A pain in the ass. I'd much prefer to have contact information pushed to me through, say, existing networks.
I honestly don't see a difference. I look at my address book as a "friends list" as well - just an annoying one that I need to keep up to date, instead of allowing my contacts to update as they need to. And if someone doesn't want me to have their contact information, why would we be friends in the first place? (I suppose you could fence off access to a select group, but really)