For anyone who just wants a system that works, and doesn't require whizzy animations all over the place, try Lubuntu. I've been using it for a while and it simply gets out of your way and just let's you get on with things. Best operating system I've used till date for development.
XFCE (Xubuntu) is just as good, in case LMDE (Lubuntu) isn't quite what you want.
So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux
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Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux
#322Anecdotal like other comments but I and a few others from my workplace have switched to Dell XPS machines and run Linux now, and it's because we're working with Docker, even with 16GB RAM and solid-state drives, the performance of Docker on MacOS is pathetic, and entirely unusable for our work. The XPS machines we have are ugly, they're flimsy, they have a grotesque carbon-fibre pattern on them, the keys leave imprin…
I started using X1 Carbon 6th recently and it's an amazing little machine. Extremely portable (a 14" that weighs 2.5 lbs and fits in a 13" sleeve), great keyboard, great Linux support, good display, and it runs very cool (the fan is never on, despite running multiple virtualbox instances in addition to regular work that causes sporadic CPU spikes - e.g. compiling). It's also very pleasant to touch and hold in your ha…
The fingerprint reader doesn't work though, not that I know what I would use one for.
Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux
#323I so wish the Linux community would get its act together and implement a working usable clipboard. It's the one thing I miss the most whenever I switch from Mac OS to Linux. On a Mac, you can cut/copy/paste using predictable keystrokes in any application, anywhere. And there is a single clipboard. On Linux, you have to deal with a multitude of behaviors (middle mouse button, Ctrl-C, others, and does it paste where th…
It won't happen because Linux users like it the way it is. It is consistent, it's just not the way you want it to be. I love middle click paste. It makes sense that it doesn't follow the text cursor because the mouse is separate and this adds extra flexibility. Ctrl+A should select everything and put the cursor at the end. Actually, in some apps the cursor disappears and in some the cursor goes to the end, but the be…
Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux
#324I spent a few weeks really chewing on my next move. I was worried about the keyboard on the latest Macbook Pro's, that was really my only hesitation. I seriously considered the Thinkpad as well as the XPS but ultimately decided I couldn't afford to leave OS X.
There is a grass-is-greener mentality around leaving for Linux, because it's definitely improved, but it's still nowhere even close. I knew I would miss iMessage, my Airpods wouldn't work, i'd have all the strange issues with the clipboard or drivers, and I wouldn't be able to work on iOS applications.
I spent nearly 3k on this machine, but (knock on wood) my Apple gear has never let me down. Sure, there are ocassional issues but the gear is really in a league of its own in terms of quality and fit-finish. My 2012 Air made it through a handful of startups and side projects, rails apps, django apps, elixir, iOS, and traveled with me all over the world.
Hoping to get another 6+ years out of this. It's got 32gb of ram and the upgraded Radeon so I think it'll pull its weight for a while. I have come to REALLY love the keyboard and now older models feel antiquated to me (totally was not anticipating this), and the touchbar is not as annoying as so many people make it out to be.
Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux
#325I read that more and more parts are soldered on the logic board in the new version, which means people have to buy new macbooks every few years anyway. I tried to upgrade my RAM and found out it's soldered in, whelp, lets see how long I can stand 8GB of RAM, haha.
With a fast SSD, I find it completely acceptable, even my old 4gb MBA was OK in performance, depends on your use case.
Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux
#326I've used both Linux and OSX for a long time, and what I've found is that while Linux breaks a little more often, I stand a much better chance of being able to fix it. When I google for a Linux problem, there's much more likely to be an answer that works on StackOverflow, while on OSX it often just leads me to the Apple support forums with dozens of people asking the same question and no real answer. Similarly, while…
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#327Earlier quoted context omitted.
And a project config system that will break everything at the slightest provocation! Seriously, setting up even moderately complicated multi-project solutions usually results in days lost to figuring out why x library isn't linking with y project. The editor is great, the build system is somehow worse than make/cmake.
Nowadays MSVC has a built-in cmake integration (a bit like vscode). You can open a folder with CMakeLists.txt and it will mostly work.
Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux
#328End-user Linux has definitely improved in the last few years. It offers a lot of attractive features for what I imagine to be the typical HN demographic. That being said, it's still got rough spots that OSX doesn't. It works great when it works, but when it doesn't.... Font rendering, display/compositor fragmentation etc... Inb4 the anecdotal "well it works for me I just had to download the xf86 font library and comp…
>Inb4 the anecdotal "well it works for me I just had to download the xf86 font library and compile with a legacy glibc version..." crew comes in with a thousand and one rebuttals. Problems like that are still a suboptimal user experience, no matter how you slice it. No, my experience is much more along the lines of, "I download and install Ubuntu or Linux Mint, and then it works without further issues."
My current Dell Inspiron 7000 didn't need a single driver installed manually (with Ubuntu). Pretty impressive.
Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux
#329(That color theme is... not for me.) I long for the Linux prairies of old, but I've grown fat and lazy on OSX. Linux is a youngster's game. Apple got it wrong in 2016 but there are signs that we might have passed "iPhone peak"... maybe they will be forced to pay attention again to us old farts.
Turns out that fat/lazy also applies to Linux. Meaning I used to also try to optimize the heck out of my linux install. Went back to Linux from OSX last year, and was perfectly fine adjusting my workflow to suit my new machine, rather than trying to make my machine suit my ideal workflow. What this means is that I installed a base ubuntu system with awesomewm and just used it mostly stock. I already had awesomewm exp…
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#330Earlier quoted context omitted.
Last time I hooked up my Linux laptop to a projector it fired up the screen just fine. I didn't even have to hit some magic key combo to turn it on.
Time before last when I went to a Golang meetup, the presenter's Linux laptop embarrassed him for a few minutes, and lots of devs with Macbooks made some linux jokes at his expense. This was the story with printing in Linux as well, back in the day. It would work fine for some, and be a nightmare for others.