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So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Post by diffeomorphism »

alanfranzoni wrote: post #5

I must say that the whole desktop looks like something from the 90s. If you find it fine for your needs, that's great. But I don't think it's a general solution. Linux is so half-baked with respect to desktop, very often it's getting as problematic as a Windows system, especially on laptops.

You do realize that the desktop shown there is a very, very non-standard setup and the author specifically chose it because it fits his needs better than mac os.

> Linux is so half-baked with respect to desktop

Considering the linked article does not show anything about a usual linux desktop, what are you basing your opinion on?

Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Post by systemtest »

cheald wrote: post #172
systemtest wrote: post #160

I'm currently on Ubuntu 18.04 and I love it but: - Firefox takes literally 10 seconds to start unless I disable eth0 - Chromium isn't able to resolve DNS for local intranet sites - Have not tried chrome as installing it means fiddling with apt repos, wget or gdebi These issues are unresolved as of January 2019. I can't say that I ever had such issues on macOS. I have had DNS issues because of my specific ISP router a…

The first two issues both sound like you have misconfigured DNS and the first resolver in your list is invalid (and has to time out). The same misconfiguration under OSX would be likely to create the same issues.

Thank you for solving the first issue! I switched DNS from automatic to manual. Now I do have to adjust this every time I switch networks so perhaps I should write a script that does this automatically.

Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

ptero wrote: post #136
jwr wrote: post #48

I so wish the Linux community would get its act together and implement a working usable clipboard. It's the one thing I miss the most whenever I switch from Mac OS to Linux. On a Mac, you can cut/copy/paste using predictable keystrokes in any application, anywhere. And there is a single clipboard. On Linux, you have to deal with a multitude of behaviors (middle mouse button, Ctrl-C, others, and does it paste where th…

Just as a nitpick: communities can (almost) never "get its act together", as they are comprised of people with different preferences who do not want to abandon their preferences for some abstract common good. On a more substantive note (globally consistent actions from keystrokes). It would be great, but not going to happen because there are established modes where the same keystrokes lead to well known results. And…

There's also complication that there's more than one standard. It's the same reason that emacs doesn't use conventional shortcuts even when it's running in a GUI: it's been using its current conventions since before the invention of the conventions that are now more popular. Similarly, if we just want to go by "preexisting standards" then really it's those newfangled applications that have hijacked ctrl-z to do anything other than suspending a process that are to blame.

Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Post by beyer »

akiselev wrote: post #108
larrik wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would also say that Apple has plenty of rough spots that Linux doesn't as well. Font rendering the Apple way is a style choice at best. What does "display/compositor fragmentation" mean to end-user?

> What does "display/compositor fragmentation" mean to end-user? My 1Password FireFox extension (ubuntu 18.04 LTS) doesn't work on X unless I log in through the website but it works just fine on Wayland.

> My 1Password FireFox extension (ubuntu 18.04 LTS) doesn't work on X unless I log in through the website but it works just fine on Wayland.

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Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Post by stcredzero »

Tehchops wrote: post #42

End-user Linux has definitely improved in the last few years. It offers a lot of attractive features for what I imagine to be the typical HN demographic. That being said, it's still got rough spots that OSX doesn't. It works great when it works, but when it doesn't.... Font rendering, display/compositor fragmentation etc... Inb4 the anecdotal "well it works for me I just had to download the xf86 font library and comp…

That being said, it's still got rough spots that OSX doesn't. It works great when it works, but when it doesn't....

Someone really needs to make Linux distros just work when hooking a laptop up to a projector. The fact that there's so much trouble that's so public and faced with so much concentrated embarrassment is a serious ongoing PR impediment to Linux.

Linux distros got printing licked across the board, so it can happen.

How about a Linux version of Airdrop?

Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Post by kitsunesoba »

dbingham wrote: post #19

What screen resolutions do the Librems support? Their tech specs don't actually list the resolutions, just the graphic card and size of the display. That's, honestly, one of the main things holding me to my mac: I want the retina display. That and the fact that all the PC hardware makers insist on offsetting the damned touchpad. Which, maybe it's just my preference, but I hate when they offset the damned touchpad.

Yes, the lopsided trackpad + main keys placement drives me bonkers… How do people use those laptops for extended periods? The way one’s arms are asymmetrical when typing on those laptops due to everything being pushed to the left is uncomfortable and annoying.

Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Post by jasondclinton »

stcredzero wrote: post #215
Tehchops wrote: post #42

End-user Linux has definitely improved in the last few years. It offers a lot of attractive features for what I imagine to be the typical HN demographic. That being said, it's still got rough spots that OSX doesn't. It works great when it works, but when it doesn't.... Font rendering, display/compositor fragmentation etc... Inb4 the anecdotal "well it works for me I just had to download the xf86 font library and comp…

That being said, it's still got rough spots that OSX doesn't. It works great when it works, but when it doesn't.... Someone really needs to make Linux distros just work when hooking a laptop up to a projector. The fact that there's so much trouble that's so public and faced with so much concentrated embarrassment is a serious ongoing PR impediment to Linux. Linux distros got printing licked across the board, so it ca…

This hasn't been an area where Linux has had problems for more than 5 years.

Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Post by acdha »

naibafo wrote: post #85

There are different issues with OSX though, that colleagues of mine had, that never occur with Linux. E.g. the chore of somehow managing different software versions such as the outdated default one and a second one installed with homebrew. Almost all my colleagues struggled with setting up python 2 und 3 correctly at some point, whereas this just worked for me on Linux. Some struggled with font rendering between a 10…

This is at least as bad a problem on Linux — I would argue worse since I've seen people break the system tools written in Python — and it's mostly due to Python being old enough to be both widespread and to have accumulated tons of easily-googled bad advice. The people who have problems with this almost always also have tons of similar problems with everything else because they've avoided learning enough system administration to work cleanly or troubleshoot problems effectively, and that's unfortunately cross-platform — they'll also do things like copy DLLs into Windows system folders, get annoyed that rpm/dpkg won't let them install the wrong version of an important library, etc.

Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Post by _emacsomancer_ »

dubya wrote: post #197
_emacsomancer_ wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are clipboard applications which will pull everything into a single clipboard. KDE Plasma, for instance, has a great built-in clipboard which does this and which also handles at least images as well. > The second dream wish would be for consistent keybindings in all text input boxes, like in Mac OS. Such as make Ctrl-A always go to the beginning of line, Ctrl-E always to the end, and Ctrl-K always kill whatever…

The issue is that on a Mac, the conventions work in (almost) any app, in any text entry area, and it's frustrating to not have that work. For example, Excel violates this convention for formula editing, and it's really grating to edit using only left, right and backspace. Probably MS has their own conventions, but I don't use Excel enough to learn them. Command line apps and things like MacVim are obviously a differe…

I do agree that it's frustrating not to have this functionality everywhere. (One minor trick to make some of it a little less painful is that in CUA mode [i.e. MS mode], for Control-A, Control-E, you can type Control-A (=select all) and then Left to jump to the left edge, and Control-A and then Right to jump to the right of a text box).

Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Post by AsyncAwait »

sonnyblarney wrote: post #35
brightball wrote: post #4

Good new take on the migrating to Linux articles. The PureOS setup is pretty cool. I'm 2 years on pure Linux after about 10 years on Mac, so it definitely gets my endorsement as well. Haven't written up anything about it yet but the experience has been very smooth.

Can you recommend a write up that compares various flavours. I like the notion of going Linux but frankly I have no love or will for the hiccups. I just want stuff to work.

If you want stuff to 'just work' and no surprises, period - Linux Mint.

If you want the very latest software versions, always, while maintaining most of the 'just works' but maybe a bit more bleeding edge go with a friendly rolling release distro like Manjaro.

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