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Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Post by goldenkey »

yesenadam wrote: post #141
agumonkey wrote: post #82

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Not what I was saying. Eating meat is natural, it's been for cosmic ages, and to an extent I have no issue with that. The mass globalized consumption does bother me. I reduce my consumption. I might try vegan but I'll surely miss all the meat based products. Maybe I'll find a middle point by breeding, killing producing it myself so at least I did it on my own, think what you want, there's a form of respect in that. I…

I haven't eaten meat in nearly 30 years, and literally haven't missed it once, ever. Have never craved it at all. I guess I wouldn't have expected that! It feels strange writing 'have never craved it'...ghoulish or something. Vegetarianism/veganism just becomes a habit, and once you're outside the, er, 'meat world', you can see the brainwashing, it's not pretty. All those heart-warming tv ads for eating lamb etc. (Ki…

If an act is selfless, and the opposite is socially accepted, you won't find many takers.. The ethics matter and I'm sure huge swathes of people are in denial and subscribed to the fallacies listed above in this thread - but ultimately it comes down to doing what is right when no one is checking you except for a few high level thinkers and the universe itself.

It also takes commitment. I've been vegan before and I'm trying it again - usually stomach problems force me to at least retain cheese. I think with Elmhurst's new peanut protein shakes, Ill be able to stick to it. Give the vanilla one a try - they are amazing and so much better than soy.

https://elmhurst1925.com/shop/protein-shakes.html

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

Evgeny wrote: post #252
sritrisna wrote: post #250

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I know we're talking about penguins here, but watching the BBC video made me remember a flat mate at uni who told me about the BCC covering the Spaghetti-Harvest in Ticino. (Yes that's right. Spagehtti-Harvest.) He was really disappointed to learn later in life that 'Spaghetti don't grow on trees'. https://youtu.be/tVo_wkxH9dU

One of the top comments on the penguin video is "The bastards destroyed the entire spaghetti crop last year. I don't see why anyone still fawns over them. "

British humour at its finest!

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Post by megous »

louthy wrote: post #75
Memosyne wrote: post #50

When I was a child, a school teacher showed me this hoax video of flying penguins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dfWzp7rYR4 . Unfortunately, for a brief period of my childhood, I was under the assumption that penguins could indeed fly. By the time I had uncovered my teacher's subterfuge, I had already made a fool of myself by publicly positing that such penguins existed. Admittedly, my teacher was only playing a p…

> but ever since that incident I have been distrustful of penguins Shouldn't you be distrustful of school teachers?

That's not rational either. Perhaps to be distrustful only of that particular one. That might be sensible.

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Post by goldenkey »

majani wrote: post #146
WalterSear wrote: post #78

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I've been vegan 20 years. Big, socially-censured changes can seem daunting, but anyone who says you can't eat well, and easily, is fooling themselves. You either live your values, or come to terms with being part of what you don't like about the world.

Even in the growing and harvesting of plants, large amounts of animals get killed in the process. The moles underground, the rabbits and hares that eat the plants, the rats and snakes that shelter in the piles of harvest etc, they all have to be killed en masse to ensure a good harvest. Given this fact, veganism appears to me like a refusal to accept the reality that this world is a harsh one full of chaos. I prefer…

Torture is the main ethical reason to not eat meat. You are right about death - we all die, nothing new there. But doing the right thing is never about purity - its about choosing the actions that cause the least bad will.

Torture and Death should not be chosen over Incidental Death if one wants to be honest about acting with pragmatic good will.

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Post by goldenkey »

pmarreck wrote: post #206
knight17 wrote: post #191

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It appears so. What a filthy guy. Don't read if you don't have the stomach for it https://blog.timesunion.com/animalrights/descartes-and-anima... Gary Francione (Introduction to Animal Rights): “Descartes and his followers performed experiments in which they nailed animals by their paws onto boards and cut them open to reveal their beating hearts. They burned, scalded, and mutilated animals in every conceivable manne…

Curses omitted from this comment. If you would believe some materialists, we're ALL just biological machines with illusory feelings, though...

illusory? In that real feelings exist in a more real form?

The world is what our bodies make of it - its as real for me as it is for my cats. IQ doesnt imply worth.

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

pmarreck wrote: post #13

To forgive the tautology, intelligent creatures are intelligent. Which also means that love is possible. I mean... every person who's ever had a pet (of any sort) understands this (as I stare at the photo of my recently-deceased and very-charismatic cat). It may not fit into any naturalistic model that clearly separates humans from these other intelligent creatures (and ascribes all perception of humanlike feeling to…

> And yet... I continue to eat bacon. sigh. I've met pigs that were clearly happy to see a friendly face of any species... haunts me, actually.

I've raised pigs, and eaten those pigs. They're a lot like dogs - very loyal and intelligent. I suppose that makes me a monster in this thread full of vegans.

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

fnovd wrote: post #115
zackmorris wrote: post #103

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Ya I'm troubled by this too. I'm really into bodybuilding but the human body simply can't recover unless it eats beef/salmon/eggs/chicken/etc at least one or more times per week, especially after the minor injuries that inevitably come with lifting weights. As a general rule, I never eat mammals that are omnivores or carnivores, so pigs and anything higher in the food chain are out. Veganism is a little unrealistic I…

>I'm really into bodybuilding but the human body simply can't recover unless it eats beef/salmon/eggs/chicken/etc at least one or more times per week, especially after the minor injuries that inevitably come with lifting weights. Is that so? How would you explain bodybuilders like these? https://www.menshealth.com/fitness/a19535559/vegan-bodybuild...

I don't know about these guys specifically but a lot of "vegan bodybuilders" are recent converts jumping on the bandwagon. That said I know longstanding / lifetime vegans and vegetarians who are into weightlifting and they get on just fine.

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

lapnitnelav wrote: post #166
kkhire wrote: post #49

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it took me like 6-7 months to go vegan, it was hard for me to give up omelettes and cheese. but one day, I woke up and just didn't want to eat it anymore. Start to have vegan meals once a day. then 3x a week. slowly your taste buds change and then you don't want it anymore

I could forgo meat although not easily, but cheese -as a French, that's a really tall order.

Cheese and eggs can be produced far more ethically than meat. No need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

fnovd wrote: post #229
vitorgrs wrote: post #211

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"However, there is evidence that plants react to damage by emitting chemicals or gases that communicate discomfort or stress and that they somehow adapt to minimize this discomfort."

Plants don't have a central nervous system that can experience discomfort or stress. The terms are used as an analogy. My laptops emits heat when it is "stressed" as well.

I'm a backyard beekeeper and I just love bees. They're very intelligent. But you should see how commercial beekeepers treat them in the production of all this "vegan" food.

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #266
pmarreck wrote: post #13

To forgive the tautology, intelligent creatures are intelligent. Which also means that love is possible. I mean... every person who's ever had a pet (of any sort) understands this (as I stare at the photo of my recently-deceased and very-charismatic cat). It may not fit into any naturalistic model that clearly separates humans from these other intelligent creatures (and ascribes all perception of humanlike feeling to…

> And yet... I continue to eat bacon. sigh. I've met pigs that were clearly happy to see a friendly face of any species... haunts me, actually. I've raised pigs, and eaten those pigs. They're a lot like dogs - very loyal and intelligent. I suppose that makes me a monster in this thread full of vegans.

I had a pet pig, Habeas Corpus we called him. Smart as could be. Loved to hang around us, play tug with a knotted t-shirt, run around the yard chasing/being chased. Gentle as could be.

We had a wire fence ring with a tree in it, that's where he stayed on summer nights. Hated going back into his pen at night when he was a piglet, became really hard to get close to around dusk, would just keep his distance casually without being offensive about it. One evening I sat on the grass by the fence, just chilling, and he came over to root around, just being companionable. When he was busy with something in the grass I picked up the wire, gently moved it over him and set it down again - now he was inside the ring.

A moment later he looks up, does a double-take, figures out he's in the pen again, and starts to scream bloody murder. Pigs can really scream! Took him a while to forgive me.

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