IBM releases Elm-powered app

Post by dnautics » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 10:43 AM UTC

ltbarcly3 wrote: post #2

I don't understand why this is noteworthy. I think maybe this is when you decide 'maybe our language has failed'. Or at least admit it's a toy language that hasn't been properly engineered to be effectively used commercially. When it's a 'worth mentioning' when a single app has been written in it by some dying company. I mean, imagine if we had a headline on the frontpage of HN for every app written in C or C++ or Ja…

Post by StreamBright » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 11:02 AM UTC

yakshaving_jgt wrote: post #58

StreamBright wrote: post #52

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Have you seen ReasonML? [@bs.val] external pi : float = "Math.PI"; let tau = pi *. 2.0; [@bs.val] external alert : string => unit = "alert"; alert("hello"); Elm was trying to make it very hard to use JS in Elm which is always a bad idea when you are a transpiled language. Clojure is so popular because you have access to most of Java and the libraries written in Java. ReasonML makes super easy to use JS (or other lang…

I do not agree that it is "always a bad idea". That is why I use Elm, and not some other compile-to-JS language that allows me more freedom. I don't want freedom. I want constraints. Freedom is the rope with which I can hang myself. Constraints keep my bug tracker silent.

Post by the_gipsy » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 11:33 AM UTC

hellofunk wrote: post #72

savanaly wrote: post #8

In a comment below the main post they say that the app they wrote is approximately 45,000 lines of code over 170 Elm files. That's one of the largest (and apparently most useful) Elm apps in the wild that I've heard of, and the fact that it exists and they had an overall good experience with it inspires me even more to try to learn and use Elm.

> In a comment below the main post they say that the app they wrote is approximately 45,000 lines of code over 170 Elm files. One thing I've found a bit weird about the Elm community is how common it is to highlight or even brag about the size of the codebases. One of the reasons I have come to particularly enjoy Clojurescript on the front-end is because of how much code I don't have to write. I once ported an Elm ap…

Post by the_gipsy » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 11:52 AM UTC

deltron3030 wrote: post #66

the_gipsy wrote: post #44

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So, something like react’s storyboard would be useful to you in Elm?

isn't Storyboard based on components (parts) first (atomic design)? Elm is the opposite, it's focused on the whole which you then use as the basis for parts at actual design time (thinking about layout and hierarchy). So in a way Elm is about form following function (creating visuals from existing functionality), while most of the other environments are focused on function following form instead (creating functionali…

Post by StreamBright » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 12:00 PM UTC

the_gipsy wrote: post #76

StreamBright wrote: post #73

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Most of the people want freedom and not some North Korean style crap. The example I gave was explicitly displaying how it is possible to use something from JS on a type safe way. Not sure how could you hang yourself with that. I guess you are just very creative.

Of course you can't hang yourself with `Math.PI` or `window.alert`. Try `Math.random()` and `window.confirm` instead, or much more relevant: `document.getElementById`.