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Your right I should have included the disclaimer that I previously worked there.
Why is it his right?
Because his left is currently indisposed, of course!
Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal
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Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal
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> that doesn't really mean anything in practice, unless you want to try to survive on just a couple of impossible burgers per day You're not wrong, but I think you're taking a very narrow view here. There are situations when having a good source of complete protein is important. E.g. you're working out and you need to increase the muscular mass. In that case, you better make sure your main source of protein is indeed…
No, you really don't. I know the completeness thing is ingrained in nutrition lore and seems to make good sense, but it almost never actually matters. Try this as an exercise: Suppose you're a 100kg power lifter targeting 1.5 g per kg body weight protein intake (which is at the lowish end of common protein recommendations for athletes, resulting in 150g protein per day in this case). Suppose you don't want to eat any…
Dear lord, this is typical HN stuff. Highly analytical, focused on a very narrow point of view, and completely useless in practice.
The world outside the pixel matrix is a very different thing.
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I don’t think that’s the case. It is not feasible for a farmer to buy feed during the lifetime of the animal. It’s the reason they have huge pastures for grazing during warm months. During winter they are usually fed hay. All beef is grass fed period. Some are finished at the end with corn or other dense grains (your soy patties). Here’s an article from a Meat Scientist. https://meatscience.org/TheMeatWeEat/topics/ra…
> All beef is grass fed period. Some are finished at the end with corn or other dense grains (your soy patties). Visit the Harrison Ranch (on I-5, south-east of SF), and see for yourself how they're treated.
I am not sure about california, but I can confirm that Texas beef is essentially all grass-fed. This is from observation and from speaking with ranchers I know. Grass-fed also has a better taste, in my opinion.
Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal
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It takes energy to process soya into an edible patty. It does for meat patties as well, so I am curious about the comparison (eg. a soy patty takes x Kw to make, a beef one takes y Kw). Where I think meat has an advantage is that "we" don't need to use energy to make the patty taste good, the cow does that naturally using the feed. But a soy patty needs all sorts of things added to it and we need to use energy and wa…
You have to include all the energy that went into feeding the cow over the period of its life.
Except much beef is raised on grass. Some of that isn't even watered. This is effectively solar-based.
Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal
#525The concept of meat alternatives is interesting, but there are of course some possible issues.
First, with soy: the jury is still on the effects on men. Maybe it's fine, maybe it's not. Until the full effects are known, I'm not comfortable risking growing breasts. It might not even effect most people, but if it does for some, I want to make sure I'm not one.[0] Also, it's possible that some chemicals in it cause cancer.[1] Though with that said, I've started to wonder if everything causes cancer in one way or another.
Second, we don't know if some people are better/worse equipped to process soy. I'd analogize this to japanese having special gut bacteria to process sushi and seaweed.[2][3] Maybe those races which have eaten more can process better? Who knows. Maybe it could cause injuries to liver or kidney in people not as well equipped to process it? Large quantities of many things can do this.[4] Again, if we want to tell everyone to replace meat, further research is undoubtedly necessary.
Lastly, thinking you ate something can make your body do certain things it normally does, even if you didn't. This is called the cephalic response.[5] If you've ever heard that looking at pictures of dessert can raise your blood sugar, this is the explanation. This is down to total guesswork, but who knows what could happen? Cephalic response means more hcl is secreted. Let's say we're calibrated to release 10 arbitrary units for meat, but 4 for veggie (meat takes more to break down). So you smell and taste meat, and release 10 units. But you eat veggie, so where does the rest go? What if it contributed to an ulcer or heartburn? And could this extend to the delicate balance of enzymes in the rest of the body?
Sustainability is a laudable goal, but we shouldn't try to radically alter people's diets without being really, really sure that we're correct. I view anything less as irresponsible. Go back to when people thought fat was evil and sugar was fine, and so people got fat and diabetic. Let's all try to be more responsible this time.
[0] https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/england-man-grows-breasts-a...
[1] https://www.breastcancer.org/research-news/soy-may-turn-on-g...
[2] https://www.wired.com/2010/04/sushi-guts/
[3] http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2010/04/japanese-guts-are-mad...
Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal
#526Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, you really don't. I know the completeness thing is ingrained in nutrition lore and seems to make good sense, but it almost never actually matters. Try this as an exercise: Suppose you're a 100kg power lifter targeting 1.5 g per kg body weight protein intake (which is at the lowish end of common protein recommendations for athletes, resulting in 150g protein per day in this case). Suppose you don't want to eat any…
Dear lord, this is typical HN stuff. Highly analytical, focused on a very narrow point of view, and completely useless in practice. The world outside the pixel matrix is a very different thing.
Hmmm... well I'm out of ammo :)
If you're ever interested in learning more, I'd say just try running some numbers yourself. Pick a diet with some "incomplete proteins", and then figure out what specific EAA deficiencies might result. Try to use at least a semi-realistic diet. See if you can do it.
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>> A dairy cow has between 2-4 calves in that time. Only 1 is needed for replacement, meaning that for each dairy cow in the herd, you kill a calf every second year. I think they would just kill the boy calves, and keep the girls.
You only need one girl to replace the previous one. If you keep more than one, then your herd size increases (which you usually don't want).
Well I guess if you're at maximum capacity you wouldn't want additional female calves, but I would imagine some of those could be sold.
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Most of them do. Chickens are the main exception, and I would agree that their conditions are pretty bad. Downvoters - I live in the Midwest. I grew up on a farm. Much of my family still farms and raises livestock. Factory farming of livestock is not the norm for non-poultry.
I beg to differ - it has basically become the norm for pigs. It didn't used to be, but it has become so. I grew up in Indiana. Now, I've not lived there in 5 years, but I did live quite some time in a place that pigs outnumbered people in the county. The county seat was 3000. Even smelling pigs was becoming a rarity while out on a country drive and a flood meant that thousands of pigs drowned in a flooded barn ("pig…
Hogs are not a very common livestock animal in my area, so I have no knowledge of their conditions. I do know that sows are commonly caged separately from their piglets to avoid the mother accidentally rolling over and crushing them while they nurse, but that's about it.
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#529Earlier quoted context omitted.
According to the ASPCA, over 95% of farm animals in the U.S. are raised in factory farms[0]: [0] https://www.aspca.org/animal-cruelty/farm-animal-welfare According to Dr. Hershaft, a holocaust survivor which has dedicated his life to researching animal rights, it is estimated that less than 1% of the meat in the US are from smallscale family farms, he and his team did an AMA on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/c…
According to the ASPCA: > A factory farm is a large, industrial operation that raises large numbers of animals for food. That's an _extremely_ broad definition that says nothing about the condition of the animals.
On top of this, that percentage is most likely due the sheer volume of chickens in the world. From what I remember there's something like 750 million head of cattle in the world, and like 18 billion chickens. This doesn't make up for the awful treatment of poultry, but it doesn't really extrapolate to animals like cattle and sheep.
Re: Meat-free 'Impossible Burger 2.0' tastes even closer to the real deal
#530Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your right I should have included the disclaimer that I previously worked there.
> I should have included the disclaimer that I previously worked there Or perhaps a disclosure. A disclaimer is sort of the opposite: "I believe X about company Y. Disclosure: I work(ed) there, so could be biased." "I believe X about company Y. Disclaimer: I have never worked there, so could be completely wrong."
good to know for this non native speaker. thank you