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Just a few drinks can change how memories are formed

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Re: Just a few drinks can change how memories are formed

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Source? This is completely counter to my experience and everything that I know about alcohol

Neurogenic studies of alcohol addiction: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2607330/ Could you post a source that shows alcohol relaxes you?

This doesn't substantiate your claim at all...

Re: Just a few drinks can change how memories are formed

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I know everyone is recommending the book Why We Sleep, but I'll pile on and say that I found it to be a fantastic read, and the consequences of alcohol consumption are devastating. Stats like 40+% reduction in retained information from just a few drinks the night after learning new facts. Or the night BEFORE learning new facts. And how the ill consequences occur even if you abstain for several DAYS after learning new…

In this thread you have the sole mention of Why We Sleep. what are you referring to?

I've seen it mentioned in a dozen threads here since I ordered it (on an HN recommendation) a month ago.

Re: Just a few drinks can change how memories are formed

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post #64
post #9

I know everyone is recommending the book Why We Sleep, but I'll pile on and say that I found it to be a fantastic read, and the consequences of alcohol consumption are devastating. Stats like 40+% reduction in retained information from just a few drinks the night after learning new facts. Or the night BEFORE learning new facts. And how the ill consequences occur even if you abstain for several DAYS after learning new…

In this thread you have the sole mention of Why We Sleep. what are you referring to?

This article points to some sources, looks like the same ones referred to in 'Why We Sleep': https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/12/even-smal...

Studies cited: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12683478 https://www.bmj.com/content/357/bmj.j2353

Re: Just a few drinks can change how memories are formed

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post #123

One aspect which is often not considered with alcohol is that it’s one of the few drugs where you’re not just taking it to experience its affect – to get drunk. There are so many fantastically variable tastes and mouth feels with drinks that for many the majority of the pleasure is actually in consuming them. Wines & beers are a pleasure to drink and can go extremely well with food, often adding another layer to the…

People say the same about cofffe. Although I suspect 8 out of 10 times people just want the caffeine hit and should ingest via pill instead.

Yeah, I feel like it's a justification more than anything. I feel like people become prudes because they want something more to their desire for more alcohol/caffeine instead of the other way around.

For example, there are plenty of non-alcoholic, non-caffeinated beverages, but few with as much subtle variety as alcoholic/caffeinated beverages. For example:

- kefir - kombucha (though it's pretty trendy these days) - probiotic drinks

Each of those has some variety, but I can find far more variety in pretty much any category of spirits (beer, wine, cider, hard liquor, etc) and caffeinated drinks (coffee, tea). I can find maybe a dozen varieties of the above, whereas I can find at least a dozen subcategories of wine or coffee, with tons of variation within each subcategory.

I have a hard time believing that the main attraction for coffee and alcohol connoisseurs is taste/texture/etc and not the drug inside the beverage. In other words, if the drug had no effect on humans, would there be a similar level of interest?

Re: Just a few drinks can change how memories are formed

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post #14

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I think, because of how society views alcohol, it's possible for not drinking to have a negative sociological and emotional effect. For example, someone gets passed up for a promotion because they don't go out to happy hour.

This. This is huge for me as well. There is definitely a societal expectation to drink in certain situations, and if you don't, you're viewed as one of the un-cool guys. Probably another thing that will require change at the leadership level to be really corrected over time.

And it's really dangerous for people predisposed to alcoholism. In the past, smoking was similar, and it has serious long term negative physiological effects.

I don't drink, and fortunately I've never worked in an office where that mattered, but my personal choices in consuming drugs should have no professional repercussions unless it negatively impacts my job performance.

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