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Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Post by mikestew »

agumonkey wrote: post #99
spurgu wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. I'm vegan but I would definitely not turn down eating animals caught in the wild, especially if I was part of the hunt. But I would also never hunt just for the sport. It's the mass production of intelligent beings* in horrible conditions that bothers me the most. Fishing is another dilemma. Technically as per above definition eating fish (unless bred) would be fine, but then again we've destroyed so much of…

Even gun hunting feels too sadistic to me. I'd use a bow or a rope and that's it. When I'll be too old to jump .. I'll hope I made enough kids to fulfill that role :)

Even gun hunting feels too sadistic to me.

If you think it's sadistic to hunt with the stopping power (and typically quicker death) of a rifle, you're not going to like bow hunting much.

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Post by K2h »

tzs wrote: post #8

> It's technically illegal to have a wild animal as a pet in Brazil, as officials want to ensure vulnerable creatures don't get separated from their families and that they can be reintroduced into the wild after injury. Same where I am. I've wondered, though. What constitutes a pet? For example, I give peanuts to the wild squirrels around my house. This is not illegal where I live. It is illegal, however, to keep a w…

gave a cookie to a squirrel outside my dorm room at university (3rd story, he came in off the roof) and the little dude showed up for a few days. It was really cute. Then one day I come home and find the room trashed and a hole in the screen. He couldn't find his cookie! I learned my lesson.

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Post by aaron695 »

firefoxd wrote: post #2

Animalus Anthropomorphicus, "the animal as seen through the human eyes." I think Dindim has found a source of free food. Although it's a win win because who doesn't want to be visited by a penguin.

HN loves fake news firefoxd, not much point trying, especially with all the signs it's fake -

From a foreign language, lots of chance of mistranslation. Country with average/below standard news quality. Way to cute and internetable.

From the biologist who was quoted in the story, who is also only one biologist and has not got peer reviewed work done with this story -

because Dindim was rescued, fed and stayed with Mr. Joao for the entire part of the year where the species usually stay in the beach and breed, along the coast of Patagonia, it imprinted Ilha Grande as it’s land based home instead. When all the Magellanic penguins are going to Patagonia, Dindim goes to Ilha Grande and recognises Mr. Joao. Penguins are usually very loyal to their partner. They may live for over 25 years and usually mate with the same individual in the same nest every year. This site and partner fidelity certainly facilitated the development of the relationship between Dindim and Mr. Joao. The relationship was created by the accident suffered by Dindim and by Joao having rescued him.

etc -

https://www.facebook.com/joaopaulo.krajewski/posts/100860052...

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Post by fnovd »

agumonkey wrote: post #82
WalterSear wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been vegan 20 years. Big, socially-censured changes can seem daunting, but anyone who says you can't eat well, and easily, is fooling themselves. You either live your values, or come to terms with being part of what you don't like about the world.

Not what I was saying. Eating meat is natural, it's been for cosmic ages, and to an extent I have no issue with that. The mass globalized consumption does bother me. I reduce my consumption. I might try vegan but I'll surely miss all the meat based products. Maybe I'll find a middle point by breeding, killing producing it myself so at least I did it on my own, think what you want, there's a form of respect in that. I…

>Eating meat is natural

Relieving yourself outdoors is natural, and we've been doing it for ages. Killing intraspecies rivals/competitors is natural, and we've been doing it for ages. Dying of a preventable disease is natural, and we've been doing it for ages. I don't think we should base our behavior off naturalistic fallacies.

Is eating meat better for your health than abstaining? Usually not. Is eating meat better for the environment? Usually not. It's very easy to just eat meat and dismiss veganism as impractical because that's the socially dominant position to have.

It's easier than ever to transition to a more vegan diet. There are hundreds of replacement products to ease your transition if it's something you care about. There are ethical, environmental, and health-conscious reasons to reduce or eliminate meat consumption. Conversely, many arguments for eating meat are just appeals to tradition or appeals to nature. The industrial production of meat, which is universally detested, actually supplies the vast majority of meat consumed in the US.

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Post by fnovd »

zackmorris wrote: post #103
pmarreck wrote: post #13

To forgive the tautology, intelligent creatures are intelligent. Which also means that love is possible. I mean... every person who's ever had a pet (of any sort) understands this (as I stare at the photo of my recently-deceased and very-charismatic cat). It may not fit into any naturalistic model that clearly separates humans from these other intelligent creatures (and ascribes all perception of humanlike feeling to…

Ya I'm troubled by this too. I'm really into bodybuilding but the human body simply can't recover unless it eats beef/salmon/eggs/chicken/etc at least one or more times per week, especially after the minor injuries that inevitably come with lifting weights. As a general rule, I never eat mammals that are omnivores or carnivores, so pigs and anything higher in the food chain are out. Veganism is a little unrealistic I…

>I'm really into bodybuilding but the human body simply can't recover unless it eats beef/salmon/eggs/chicken/etc at least one or more times per week, especially after the minor injuries that inevitably come with lifting weights.

Is that so? How would you explain bodybuilders like these?

https://www.menshealth.com/fitness/a19535559/vegan-bodybuild...

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Post by rurp »

When I was a kid my family raised three young kestrels (small birds of prey that look like a hawk) who had lost their mother. They had an outdoor enclosure and we did not handle them much, but they understandably got attached.

Once we released them, they stayed in the area and would often swoop out of the sky and land on my head. It gave visiting neighbors and friends quite a surprise! We gradually saw less of the birds as they ventured farther out and eventually they moved on completely.

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Post by [deleted] »

EGreg wrote: post #109
louthy wrote: post #75

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> but ever since that incident I have been distrustful of penguins Shouldn't you be distrustful of school teachers?

This just made me think of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OB8EYKXAys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cky5SQCeVJc Based on this I would definitely distrust penguins, because this and this is definitely a reason for this.

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Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Post by pmarreck »

sam0x17 wrote: post #101
pmarreck wrote: post #13

To forgive the tautology, intelligent creatures are intelligent. Which also means that love is possible. I mean... every person who's ever had a pet (of any sort) understands this (as I stare at the photo of my recently-deceased and very-charismatic cat). It may not fit into any naturalistic model that clearly separates humans from these other intelligent creatures (and ascribes all perception of humanlike feeling to…

Think of it this way. If you suddenly lost the ability to speak and didn't have fingers or arms and all you could do was swim, bump around, and bite things, you'd probably act a lot like a fish, but you'd still love and feel emotions like a human, we'd just have no way of knowing. We are extremely arrogant (and oddly so, in my opinion) in our assumption that "lesser" species don't have consciousness or that they have…

wait... Descartes disemboweled live dogs?!?!

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Post by Buttons840 »

freedomben wrote: post #79
tzs wrote: post #8

> It's technically illegal to have a wild animal as a pet in Brazil, as officials want to ensure vulnerable creatures don't get separated from their families and that they can be reintroduced into the wild after injury. Same where I am. I've wondered, though. What constitutes a pet? For example, I give peanuts to the wild squirrels around my house. This is not illegal where I live. It is illegal, however, to keep a w…

I know you already know, but just posting in case it helps someone else. Be really careful about letting a squirrel get into a closed area with you, or even too close to your body. If they feel threatened (which they will once they realize they are trapped) they will f--k you up. This happened to an acquaintance of mine and he has permanent eye damage from it. They may not seem like it when they are gracefully and ha…

Or they might just scratch you and run off, then you get to have rabies treatments. Either way, no fun.

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Post by maxxxxx »

ndiscussion wrote: post #59
uhtred wrote: post #52

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So a brief moment of taste pleasure is worth the suffering and killing of another creature that feels physical and emotional pain?

Obviously yes for most people, since vegans are a tiny minority. Bit of a high horse you're on there.

I bet the number of vegetarians would go up quite a bit if people had to slaughter animals themselves if they wanted meat. Our society is pretty good at hiding the dirty work from people.
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