The US spends more on healthcare for no gain says new report from Johns Hopkins

Post by DanTheManPR » Wed, Jan 09, 2019, 5:21 PM UTC

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I speak for myself, but I'm pretty sure many people would share the thought: healthcare is the number one reason for which I'd never move to America. And there are a billion things for which you might want/not want to move to another country. And I'm healthy, and there are many other things that might seem crazy about America. I don't know, maybe I'm just paranoid, but I do seriously hope for the sake of everyone (an…

This is odd. If you have a decent job and health insurance coverage, there’s nothing better in terms of healthcare than living in cities such as Boston. I can’t think of another city where you have access to multiple world-class hospital systems. Quality of care is simply unmatched.

Post by dalore » Wed, Jan 09, 2019, 7:59 PM UTC

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"there is no reason my money should pay for the care of others" Isn't the cultural issue largely a idealogical issue - things like the UK NHS are avowedly socialist? In the words of Aneurin Bevan, founder of the NHS: " A free health service is pure Socialism and as such it is opposed to the hedonism of capitalist society." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aneurin_Bevan Personally, at least when it comes to healthcare, I…

Paying for the care of others is also the insurance model, which is not socialism. I think where you lose support from part of the population is when the system is being abused. I understand France for instance has an abnormally high number of depressions, as it is a common way for a lazy employee to take some time off at the expense of the system. In the US I understand there is an abnormally high number of people o…

Post by 6nf » Wed, Jan 09, 2019, 11:59 PM UTC

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> We want to see a doctor now. We want immediate access to all the best equipment, and specialists, and drugs, and we don't want to wait around or travel far. And we increasingly want it for every citizen. Australians can get these at a fraction of US prices though

Can they? Mr Meschemberg’s cancer is HER 2-positive (HER 2 is a protein found on the surface of some cancer cells). HER 2-positive cancer cells tend to be far more aggressive, as they divide and grow faster than normal. “That makes [my cancer] a bit different,” he said. “There are drugs that are available to help but they’re not on the PBS.” https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/mee...

Post by philwelch » Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 7:55 PM UTC

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So where does the money physically go? If I’m a rent-seeker, I still have an incentive to be stingy with my expenses. The only reason I wouldn’t would be if someone else had a monopoly and was rent-seeking on me, but who’s doing that? I wouldn’t rule out the possibility that it’s rent-seeking all the way down, but you’d have to make that case. Suppose you say, doctors and pharma companies are rent-seeking, and I say…

Yes, you, personally have an incentive to be stingy. But when you are talking about a big organization, they find ways of spending money because the managers of the organization are not aligned with the shareholders. Every organization has pressure to keep expanding because there is always more stuff that could be done, and you can hire people to do that stuff up until the total earnings are in line with the market r…