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Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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And judges never give out different sentences based race or affluence....

Is squirrel a race now?

No but the person going in front of the judge is where the less clear the law is, the more of a chance for bias.

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Animalus Anthropomorphicus, "the animal as seen through the human eyes." I think Dindim has found a source of free food. Although it's a win win because who doesn't want to be visited by a penguin.

I find the people quickest to go on about anthropomorphism tend to have the least experience with animals. When you think about it.'s quite the intellectual conceit to assume you fully understand the decision-making of another creature and that it is entirely dependent on food. Reminds me of certain economic ideologues who insist everyone, whether they know it or not, is motivated by money and self-advancement.

It takes some serious introspection to see the similarities between ourselves and the other animals around us. At the same time we have trouble understanding the motivations and thinking of other human beings, much less a wildly different creature like a bird or a snake.

I can see why some people just stick their fingers in their ears and think of non-human animals as "Things" rather than thinking beings. Otherwise the world is far more terrible and cruel than bears thinking about.

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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To get a bit pedantic you're on the path to domesticating those squirrels, most wildlife professionals wouldn't consider them wild any more. My father worked for WI DNR for many years and it always irked him that people feeding the wildlife didn't think they were doing any harm when they were making the animals co-dependent on that food source.

Reposting from below. Eastern grey squirrels were deliberately introduced into city parks for the enjoyment of people.[1] Also wild animals are flexible enough in their behaviour to accommodate interactions with humans. If you observe them carefully, you can see them switch from 'normal' behaviour to the behaviour they use when interacting with people. It's kind of like when you speak two languages and can switch fro…

>Eastern grey squirrels were deliberately introduced into city parks for the enjoyment of people.[1]

Did not know — thanks for this.

Also, this has to be the dumbest move in the history of urban planning (considering squirrels track record as an invasive species). It'd appear someone didn't think this through 100%.

Where is the zoologist on the city board when you need one, right?

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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When I was a child, a school teacher showed me this hoax video of flying penguins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dfWzp7rYR4 . Unfortunately, for a brief period of my childhood, I was under the assumption that penguins could indeed fly. By the time I had uncovered my teacher's subterfuge, I had already made a fool of myself by publicly positing that such penguins existed. Admittedly, my teacher was only playing a p…

In French, "pingouin" is the name for a flying bird[0] though very few people know it and most mix up pingouins (auks) with manchots (penguins, literally "armless"). Saying that penguins can fly is technically correct but people will laugh at you unless you are prepared to spend a long time explaining it.

I think it's a shame that a teacher would mislead a child the way yours did.

Having worked with penguins (the flightless ones) though, I have to say that while they are funny they didn't strike me as the most interesting or intelligent birds ever. I was quite disappointed, they regularly die by getting stuck in seaweed lying on the beach, and just keeping trying to walk straight until they get exhausted and fall. You get more meaningful interaction with a crow or even a common blackbird.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Razorbill

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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So a brief moment of taste pleasure is worth the suffering and killing of another creature that feels physical and emotional pain?

Obviously yes for most people, since vegans are a tiny minority. Bit of a high horse you're on there.

I think most people who are in this predicament consciously choose not to think about it in order to avoid the cognitive dissonance. Destroying your philosophical model of reality and remaking it is not exactly a pleasant process. Something you find out when you go vegetarian or vegan is that if that gets brought up, which usually happens in the context of rejecting an offer of food or being questioned about why your plate only has crackers at a potluck, many meat eaters will suddenly feel the need to explain why they think it is ok to eat meat. Perhaps that's just preemptive and a result of encountering more militant vegetarians in the past, but I think it is more likely to be a result of being reminded of their cognitive dissonance. Who are they trying to convince? I didn't ask for an explanation of their dietary choices and don't feel any particular need to explain mine.

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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When I was a child, a school teacher showed me this hoax video of flying penguins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dfWzp7rYR4 . Unfortunately, for a brief period of my childhood, I was under the assumption that penguins could indeed fly. By the time I had uncovered my teacher's subterfuge, I had already made a fool of myself by publicly positing that such penguins existed. Admittedly, my teacher was only playing a p…

Yeah, it turns out that those birds were not flying but were actually launched from catapults. One of them even landed in a pig sty and was the inspiration behind the game "angry birds." You should definitely update your friends on social media now that you know.

You're talking about a different hoax. This was most likely CGI (more info in the wikipedia link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_penguin_hoax)

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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To forgive the tautology, intelligent creatures are intelligent. Which also means that love is possible. I mean... every person who's ever had a pet (of any sort) understands this (as I stare at the photo of my recently-deceased and very-charismatic cat). It may not fit into any naturalistic model that clearly separates humans from these other intelligent creatures (and ascribes all perception of humanlike feeling to…

> perhaps dimmer versions than the ones we're familiar with No, I think that's our subconscious desire to believe we are separate from the world around us speaking. They may experience and express feelings differently than we do, but that doesn't mean that experience is less meaningful.

I use the video game analogy for this. animals may be 8 bits, we're 32 bits. Still whatever bits games are running on, they use the same basic formulas (in the metaphor, these are our senses, emotions and abstractions). It's indeed evident that we share a lot with animals. Even if they may not think as much, and can't communicate like us. I also believe that most important times in our human lives, are quite animal... holding a baby, holding your SO hand, eating, pissing, sleeping well. Doesn't need to know about curved topologies.. and I'm sure most of us would be content with the list I just wrote. And to go back to the analogy, we spend time thinking about problems and whatever, but going back to 8 bits often leads to interesting use of our existences. Like helping someone simply can brighten your life much more than financial success.

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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To forgive the tautology, intelligent creatures are intelligent. Which also means that love is possible. I mean... every person who's ever had a pet (of any sort) understands this (as I stare at the photo of my recently-deceased and very-charismatic cat). It may not fit into any naturalistic model that clearly separates humans from these other intelligent creatures (and ascribes all perception of humanlike feeling to…

How can you continue to eat other animals if you feel the way you do about other animals?

Our species manage to get away from running after food. Animals do, every life form takes from the environment. The issue is how easy it is to us to breed, slaughter, bag and cook living forms nowaday. But if you were 100000 years ago, you'd have no second thoughts about eating animals.

Re: Penguin travels every year to visit man who rescued him (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it turns out that those birds were not flying but were actually launched from catapults. One of them even landed in a pig sty and was the inspiration behind the game "angry birds." You should definitely update your friends on social media now that you know.

You're talking about a different hoax. This was most likely CGI (more info in the wikipedia link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_penguin_hoax )

I think that was the joke. projectramo was spreading misinformation while encouraging the op to share it, thus reliving the previous experience of repeating hoaxes as facts
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